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    1. The constant negative beat of the liberal media was not effectively countered by the leadership. That's difficult, but it has been done. Hastert needs to go.

    2. They bungled the immigration debate. Disastrously.

    3. The Dem GOTV came together this year.

    4. Wars are unpopular. Especially wars that will seem to drag on for years. As this one will regardless of who controls our government.

    5. We abandoned our conservative philosophy.

    Terrorists the world over will take note of these results. They'll push us again. Interesting times are ahead.
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    Now that the power has been placed in their laps it'll be fun to watch them all flip flop into hawks.
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    We've been so safe lately !
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    Come on Kids.

    The main reason is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq was marketed and 9-11 was used as such but by doing so this Admin took the target off of Afghanistan an BL. BL still not being brought to International justice means a lot more than the Hussein verdict.

    Most importantly, the middle classs has SUFFERED under this Admin. The Dems SHOULD and WILL address this.

    Lastly, CORRUPTION! This Congress may go down as the MOST corrupt EVER.

    Repubs had COMPLETE control and BLEW IT!

    What did you expect?

    I'll be sleeping with a smile (smirk) on my face tonight BUT more importanly, thinking about building an illegal immigration wall (around employers) to protect the good working Americans!
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    Did we find the WMD's in Iraq yet, I already know about the ones in North Korea....
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    #1 - I agree.

    #2 - I agree, though the democrats had/have no platform on this subject.

    #3 - No, not at all and the party's big guy embarrassed lots of people with his remarks.

    #4 - True. Kennedy's war was Viet Nam, a war that was morally correct - the containment of Communism. The war became Johnson's downfall and then along came Nixon. It is amazing how Nixon took the heat on this one.

    The problem though with this war is that it really is not a long war in traditional terms. This war is just like Viet Nam - we felt the heat and quit before the job was done. Viet Nam saw the death of thousands of people because of our pull out - we were actually winning the war and had we stuck it out a bit longer, we would not have carried the shame we carried for so many years. With this war though we will carry the shame of defeat. Should we withdraw before the job is done, it will be an open sign to terrorists across the world that all they have to do is last and that will place them in the winner's position.

    Ben

    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever View Post
    1. The constant negative beat of the liberal media was not effectively countered by the leadership. That's difficult, but it has been done. Hastert needs to go.

    2. They bungled the immigration debate. Disastrously.

    3. The Dem GOTV came together this year.

    4. Wars are unpopular. Especially wars that will seem to drag on for years. As this one will regardless of who controls our government.

    5. We abandoned our conservative philosophy.

    Terrorists the world over will take note of these results. They'll push us again. Interesting times are ahead.
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    The middle class has not suffered under this administration. Under the democrats the middle class will suffer because the democrats are very much into raising taxes - taxes that will affect all of us, especially the lowest wage earners. As for corruption - this congress being the most corrupt ever? Take a look at the number of democrats who have screwed up in the past? Lied to get in office, exposed when they were forced to and never ever taken to task for it. Now let us be fair. And yes, the Republicans blew it - not paying attention to issues that the party's supporters have been so vocal about.

    For every messed up republican I am sure you can come across a messed up democrat. At least the republican members of Congress do not have a Kennedy (the dude who was drunk and killed his girl friend); yellers like Gore and Kerry; and Kerry, who literally wants nothing to do with the everyday guy and gal.

    Ben

    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Come on Kids.

    The main reason is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq was marketed and 9-11 was used as such but by doing so this Admin took the target off of Afghanistan an BL. BL still not being brought to International justice means a lot more than the Hussein verdict.

    Most importantly, the middle classs has SUFFERED under this Admin. The Dems SHOULD and WILL address this.

    Lastly, CORRUPTION! This Congress may go down as the MOST corrupt EVER.

    Repubs had COMPLETE control and BLEW IT!

    What did you expect?

    I'll be sleeping with a smile (smirk) on my face tonight BUT more importanly, thinking about building an illegal immigration wall (around employers) to protect the good working Americans!
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    PULEEZ!

    The middle class gained nothing from the 'tax-cuts' which simply benefitted the rich.

    Let's roll those back AND concentrate on protecting working class jobs from China and illegal immigrant labor!
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    You certainly are changing your tone on the illegal immigrant labor. A question, what does the democratic party say about illegal immigrant labor? How are they going to handle it? You have I am sure heard Nancy talk about it. As for the tax cuts, if you pay taxes (I do), I saw a nice reduction in my taxes - I benefited rather nicely.

    As for the working class jobs in China - how many Americans do you know that are willing to work for what they get paid? Would you? Do you get a higher annual salary then the China dudes?

    Ben

    Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    With Reagan's election we started the swing back from the abyss of socialism. I think the Repubs will have another 30 year run or so, then we'll see.
    Guess what, you were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup View Post
    Guess what, you were wrong.
    Dug that from another thread, eh.

    Yep, I didn't take into account several things. I wrote that before the depth of the Abramhoff scandal was known. I'm reading now that corruption was the major turnoff for independents, and the reason a lot of conservatives stayed home. Good. We needed a hard slap, and we got it.

    I majorly underestimated the power of the declining mainstream media. Six years of constant BDS took its toll.

    My hope is that Hastert steps down and a new generation of young turks, real conservatives, step up and lead us back. I don't know who the frontrunner is for the GOP in 08. I don't think I can support McCain after his attack on the 1st amendment.

    Now let's see if Alcee Hastings, the impeached judge, gets to chair the House Committee on Intelligence. That'll set the Dem standard on acceptance of corruption.

    PS-And are you hearing any screams and whines from conservatives for a recount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever View Post
    1. The constant negative beat of the liberal media was not effectively countered by the leadership. That's difficult, but it has been done.
    OMG Liberal Media

    • Fox News still #1, large margins.
    • New York Times (Your favorite, I know) knew about the warrantless wiretaps for over 1 YEAR, before the 2004 elections, and slept on it until December 2005. The ONLY reason they printed it was they didn't want to be scooped by a book about to be released on the matter.
    • Air America Radio just Filed for Chapter 11 (gosh bless em)
    • Recently NBC & CW refused to air advertisements about Dixie Chicks' new movie 'Shut up & Sing'. NBC stated they "Cannot Accept These Spots as They are Disparaging to President Bush"

    Too many examples to list here
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    spanking is an understatement, the Contract with America has officially expired and we have our first woman speaker of the house. Things are changing for the better around here.
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    i am going to post a sign on my front lawn..."MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Let's roll those back AND concentrate on protecting working class jobs from China and illegal immigrant labor!
    Fat chance there. Your new buddies in the House are going to push through the amnesty plan Bush has been salivating over.
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    As long as the Rs blame others they are doomed. The victim mentality is a complete bar to personal progress. And there is plenty of 'we lost because they . . . ' right now.

    No. You lost because we the voters are not as dumb as you think we are.

    Clean your side of the street. Find and stand by your principles no matter what. Short term personal advantage be damned.

    They didn't do this. They claimed they were the party of character. They prove otherwise. They lacked or abandoned principles despite claiming vigorously to the contrary.

    One person of principle and integrity in Congress. ONE. That is all I ask. Someone who understands the 'servant' part of 'public servant' and who takes the commitment to serve and discharges that commitment with dignity and character.

    I'm a registered Republican and I approve this message.
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    I did not realize that so many races actually had conservative democrats running. Last night on one of the major networks (Katie Couric's) one of the talking heads stated that the toughest job ahead for Pelosi would be to unite the conservative democrats that were winning tonight and the extreme democrats in office now. He said bringing the Republicans and the conservative Dems together would be easy compared to the old school dems, all on the show agreed with his assesment. Pro-life democrats, gun toting democrats, anti-tax democrats...what in the world is going on.

    They seemed to agree on the big winner of the night being Liberman and the big loser being Kerry because of his statement on the uneducated military. They believe it cost him any chance of the party nomination in 08.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    You certainly are changing your tone on the illegal immigrant labor. A question, what does the democratic party say about illegal immigrant labor? How are they going to handle it? You have I am sure heard Nancy talk about it. As for the tax cuts, if you pay taxes (I do), I saw a nice reduction in my taxes - I benefited rather nicely.

    As for the working class jobs in China - how many Americans do you know that are willing to work for what they get paid? Would you? Do you get a higher annual salary then the China dudes?

    Ben

    Ben
    I don't know what the Dems have to say about illegal immigrant labor. My solution would be to attack the cause instead of the effect. Illegal immigrants risk quite a bit to come over here, mostly because they are almost guaranteed a job that pays ten times what they would make back home. Start going after the corporations who hire illegals with hefty fines, and you'll start to see those numbers diminish. Otherwise, all the walls in the world aren't going to hold these people back.

    That, and those of us in California are going to have to start doing our own laundry and gardening work again.

    But that will never happen, because corporations have strong lobbies, and people in this country don't want to spend $3.00 for a strawberry.

    We have to start addressing our internal issues, and stop blaming everyone else for our problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever View Post
    I don't know who the frontrunner is for the GOP in 08.
    Neither do I. But I am confident he/she will be better than Bush junior, if only because it cannot be a worse mix of ignorance and arrogance. Bush junior has led the US into a complete no-win situation in Iraq, with very negative consequences not only for the US but also for the rest of the Western world.

    I am sure, in the end this will somehow be the fault of Democrats/liberals/the commie rag MSM/Europe/somebody else (the US Army generals come to mind when reading your other thread) according to you, but that's for another topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio View Post
    I did not realize that so many races actually had conservative democrats running. Last night on one of the major networks (Katie Couric's) one of the talking heads stated that the toughest job ahead for Pelosi would be to unite the conservative democrats that were winning tonight and the extreme democrats in office now. He said bringing the Republicans and the conservative Dems together would be easy compared to the old school dems, all on the show agreed with his assesment. Pro-life democrats, gun toting democrats, anti-tax democrats...what in the world is going on.

    They seemed to agree on the big winner of the night being Liberman and the big loser being Kerry because of his statement on the uneducated military. They believe it cost him any chance of the party nomination in 08.
    I agree with TastyPeppers, its time for the GOP to confront what it is doing wrong. If the GOP tries to live in some fantasy spin world that this is a closet conservative victory and nothing is wrong, or spends their energies attacking John Kerry, who is long dead already, they are going to continue to be losers.
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