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    Discuss.
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    Don't you mean IS Jesus a Liberal?

    For His time and place while He walked the earth He probably would have been considered "liberal" by some. But that's not to confuse Him with a Liberal or a Leftist by today's standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    Don't you mean IS Jesus a Liberal?
    I guess it depends on how you view him.

    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    For His time and place while He walked the earth He probably would have been considered "liberal" by some. But that's not to confuse Him with a Liberal or a Leftist by today's standards.
    Could you explain a little bit on this. I would contend that Jesus taught many of the things that Liberals hold dear.
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    yes, jesus is totally pro abortion. Acctually I'm sure that Jesus is quite above petty politics and he stand for what is RIGHT dispite party lines
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    I guess it depends on how you view him.

    Could you explain a little bit on this. I would contend that Jesus taught many of the things that Liberals hold dear.
    Well, He didn't expound His political views too much but I'm just separating the notion of "liberal" views, in comparison with the status quo of the day, and Liberalism as a contemporary political philosophy. I don't think one could draw much of a conclusion about Jesus' political views other than that He taught people should fulfill their civic obligations. Now, early Christian groups were clearly communal (again, not to be confused with Communist), but those communities were obviously of one mind religiously speaking. Those ideas can't be carried over conveniently to the governing of a pluralistic society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    I would contend that Jesus taught many of the things that Liberals hold dear.
    By the way, can you expand on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgarza
    yes, jesus is totally pro abortion.
    Who is Pro Abortion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    By the way, can you expand on this?
    I am limited on time but I will expand on this a little later. But for starters, helping the less fortunate.
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    Ah. But what would Jesus drive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    I am limited on time but I will expand on this a little later. But for starters, helping the less fortunate.
    Okay, lets start there. Yes, I'm sure many liberals hold dear the idea of helping the poor. But does that mean Conservatives don't? I would personally take exception to this. But aside from that, isn't the argument really not about helping the poor but about how one helps the poor? I mean, would Jesus be more likely to say that one should help the poor voluntarily, out of one's own means, or that Ceasar should require people to pay extra taxes to help the poor? On the former, His views were clear. On the latter, He was largely silent that we know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    Okay, lets start there. Yes, I'm sure many liberals hold dear the idea of helping the poor. But does that mean Conservatives don't? I would personally take exception to this. But aside from that, isn't the argument really not about helping the poor but about how one helps the poor? I mean, would Jesus be more likely to say that one should help the poor voluntarily, out of one's own means, or that Ceasar should require people to pay extra taxes to help the poor? On the former, His views were clear. On the latter, He was largely silent that we know of.
    Likewise, on one occasion, a container of expensive ointment was broken open and used to anoint His feet. One of His followers commented that such an act was a waste because the ointment could have been sold, providing funds to give to the poor.

    Besides the fact that the follower was said to be embezzling, Jesus' comment was that you would always have the poor around, but that He would not always be on hand personally. On that basis, He justified having the ointment used on Himself rather than being used for the poor.

    Is that a "liberal" response?
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    We could trade passages all day, I bet. The parable of workers in the vineyard getting paid the same amount vs the parable of talents. It's a matter of interpretation. Fiscally I'd say that Jesus was about as liberal as they come. Socially... tougher call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by septimus
    We could trade passages all day, I bet. The parable of workers in the vineyard getting paid the same amount vs the parable of talents. It's a matter of interpretation. Fiscally I'd say that Jesus was about as liberal as they come. Socially... tougher call.
    LOL!! Yes, that parable where they all are paid the same amount does have a hint of "union" in it, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    LOL!! Yes, that parable where they all are paid the same amount does have a hint of "union" in it, doesn't it?
    I think it was more of mind your own business and worry about meeting your commitment. Or maybe the point is that it's the vineyard owners money so he can do with it what he will. If it was a hint of unionization the parable would have included a section on how the other workers got together and forced the vineyard owner to pay them all the same.
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    From websters definition:
    Main Entry: 1lib·er·al
    Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&l
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lEodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
    1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
    2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : AMPLE, FULL
    3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS
    4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE <a liberal translation>
    5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
    6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
    1a: not as far as I know
    1b: not sure, Joseph and Maria weren't really free, otherwise they wouldnt have been in Betlehem.. so I'd say a no on this one.
    2a:yes
    2b:yes
    2c: not really applicable.. but since he is supposed to be omnipresent, I guess it is a yes..
    3: obsolete definition, but no
    4: I'd say a no here, the bible is pretty strict on what is and isnt allowed..
    5: again a no..
    6a: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/liberalism ->
    6a.1: devide by zero error (i.e. not sure that is what we are trying to find out)
    6a.2a: probably up for debate...
    6a.2b: yes
    6a.2c: yes
    6a.2d: no
    6b: no

    end score:
    Yes:5
    No:6
    Maybe:2

    So I guess he wasnt a Liberal but wasnt far off..
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    The real question we should be asking is: Does he prefer palm or ppc?

    I think he dispises palm since he caused the walls of Jericho (city of palms) to fall. This proves once and for all that the ppc/wm platform is the only way to go.....if you want to go to heaven that is
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    Quote Originally Posted by aprasad
    Ah. But what would Jesus drive?

    :-)
    and more importantly, who would he bomb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by littlewaywelt
    and more importantly, who would he bomb?
    France, Germany, China, N korea, IRAN, and possibly Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aprasad
    Ah. But what would Jesus drive?

    :-)

    I believe the group Ministry answered that. "Jesus built my Hot Rod"
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