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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...worldtobelieve

    For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)

    Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

    I'm not entirely sure the author's "Hahah! Gotcha!" attitude is the best, but I do think it raises an important issue. Trying to change everything about society to conform to view of the world still very much in doubt (namely that global warming will kill us all) is incredibly difficult. If Al Gore can't do it, can anyone?
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    good observations good critique. But it doesn't make gores excellent presentation any less credible.We're all hypocrites. We're all retarded. Thats what makes us special !
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    If you truly believe in the global warming issue...it doesnt really matter if the messenger doesnt believe in the message. The message is (or can be) still valid.

    And I don't think its a matter of "Can we follow what Gore preaches" but rather "Can we ALL take a step in that direction" (i.e. instead of driving to work 5 days a week, only 3 or 4 versus selling your car and biking to work everyday)

    I wouldnt want the message of being 'green' one that requires absolutism. If it does, then it become unreachable and people give up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    I wouldnt want the message of being 'green' one that requires absolutism. If it does, then it become unreachable and people give up.
    Well said. Even some simple steps that one takes are better than total denial and inaction.

    btw, KR, I am not sure who you are quoting, but "global warming will kill us all "is certainly misrepresenting the conclusions from the climate science.
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    Good commentary from all.

    As for Al Gore specifically, what do you expect from someone married to the epitome of preachy, self-serving busybodies?

    And that's coming from someone (me) who voted for him as the lesser of two evils in 2000.
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    funny when a christian is caught sinning he is taken to task for it, but now the message is more important than the messenger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvcobra
    Good commentary from all.

    As for Al Gore specifically, what do you expect from someone married to the epitome of preachy, self-serving busybodies?
    And lets add "queen of censorship". I think his wife prevented alot of people to vote for him (Kerry might be able to say the samething).
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    "funny when a christian is caught sinning he is taken to task for it, but now the message is more important than the messenger. "

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    fascinating indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgarza
    funny when a christian is caught sinning he is taken to task for it, but now the message is more important than the messenger.
    Everything is important and we're all subject to gravity
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    btw, KR, I am not sure who you are quoting, but "global warming will kill us all "is certainly misrepresenting the conclusions from the climate science.
    I'll accept that global warming is happening--it's a logical conclusion. However, it's an open question whether it will kill us all.
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    I would suggest everyone read the author's book "Do As I Say, Not As I Do....."

    It really is telling about people that espouse a POV but don't follow it.

    As for global warming (meaning we are causing it) is complete malarky. It amazes me that intelligent people, who have some scientific understanding, don't see that.

    Every few years, we have "a horrible heat wave" or "horrible storms". Remeber how 10-20 years ago, it was all blamed on El Ni˝o? Now it's the global warming boogeyman.

    Do just a little research, and don't be a sucker.

    Pollution is an issue, but let's not confuse the two. Also, I am all for hybrids,solar power, wind power, etc and reducing oil consumption etc., but for other reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    I'll accept that global warming is happening--it's a logical conclusion. However, it's an open question whether it will kill us all.
    Global warming is certainly wreaking damage, but exterminating everyone living on the planet today? It may be an open question to some, but is not the view of mainstream climate science.
    Quote Originally Posted by mikec
    Do just a little research, and don't be a sucker.
    If you take steps to understand the science yourself the left and the right wing hype of Michael Moore, or Peter Schweizer becomes self-evident. Nature podcast is a great way to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgarza
    funny when a christian is caught sinning he is taken to task for it, but now the message is more important than the messenger.
    To my knowledge, Al Gore is a christian...whatever that matters.
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    So he lives in big house(s).

    What is the cut-off limit on the sq-footage of one's residence to be considered green?
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    ? about what the cut-off point on sqft to be considered green? I'm sure there will be some lib group to determine that for you - so don't worry about it - just abide by it. they know what we "need".
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    All Gore has done more,given more to the service of our beautiful Earth then all of us Treophiles put togeather . Who here does he threaten ? Is there anyone out there who doesn't believe our earth is on the brink of total collapse? O well; If you have a chance, try to sit through this .http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobus...heater297.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by byronchurch
    All Gore has done more,given more to the service of our beautiful Earth then all of us Treophiles put togeather . Who here does he threaten ? Is there anyone out there who doesn't believe our earth is on the brink of total collapse? O well; If you have a chance, try to sit through this .http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobus...heater297.html

    I really don't think you can just ASSUME that Gore has done more than ANY of us on tc. There are quite a few people in here.
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    Yeah, generating greenhouse gases by the power consumption of our collective computers

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec
    As for global warming (meaning we are causing it) is complete malarky. It amazes me that intelligent people, who have some scientific understanding, don't see that.

    Mike, I missed the above statement you made the first time around, but now that I see it, I urge you to take a realistic look at the science. Even the energy companies are admitting it:
    Quote Originally Posted by BP website
    The emerging consensus is that climate change is, at least in part, linked to the production and consumption of carbon based fuels.
    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7007103
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgarza
    funny when a christian is caught sinning he is taken to task for it, but now the message is more important than the messenger.
    I don't have a problem with people being held accountable for what they preach...my point was that I didnt want someone to throw the message out with the messenger.
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