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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Because a newsman used the word "war", you can now guarantee a connection to the Conn. primary?
    Because of how the administration is handling this incident, which I remind you occurred in England, it's obviously trying to shake the boogieman to move the public sentiment back in their favor.
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Using terms like "war" only serves to dramatize and attempt to justify certain power grabs.
    Maybe "Conflict of mutual interests" would be more to your liking.....or "Disagreements".....or "or "Anti-War Killing Innocent Civilians Violent Protests".....or "Terrorist Game"......or "Those expressing their different opinions the best way they know how"....or....

    I personally feel "War on Terror" is very accurate. I fully agree that Policing and Intel is a very big PART of this. But it is only one piece.
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    #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Because of how the administration is handling this incident, which I remind you occurred in England, it's obviously trying to shake the boogieman to move the public sentiment back in their favor.
    I just don't get it. A major terrorist plot was foiled, and your spinning this as an agenda by a political party becuase you don't agree with their ideas and values. You use words like "guarentee", and "obviously", without really having full knowledge of the facts or any evidence in support of your theory.

    Cant it just be as it appears? Isnt it a good thing that the plot was foiled?
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    #44  
    So if the attack happens and hundreds perhaps thousands are killed. would you agree the Dems would use this to enhance their favor with the voting population. Or is it a one way conspiracy?
  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Because of how the administration is handling this incident, which I remind you occurred in England, it's obviously trying to shake the boogieman to move the public sentiment back in their favor.
    But where where the planes going? What nationalities would have been on board? Is there intel of a backup plan? Is there intel of follow up plan here in the US?

    I just don't know. And under the circumstances until more information is known.....and one who is flying today....I am more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt!!!!!!
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by kvcobra
    Media nonsense is making my head hurt. I just walked by a TV tuned to CNN. Literally within a 5-second span, I heard the following phrases:

    1) "Al-Qaeda Corporate" - meaning Bin Laden & Co., as opposed to localized cells. Journalists, please just stop trying to coin phrases like this. We beg you.

    2) "I realize it's early in the game, but do we know anything about why these attacks were planned?" Game? What game??? Poor word choice aside, this question disproves the cliche that there is no such thing as a stupid question.
    One of the dumbest phrases ever coined by the media is the term "homicide bomber".
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    There's always the threat of someone doing things like this. Whether it's an Islamic whack job or a Christian one.
    That's such an asinine comparison that it always makes me wonder what the agenda is when someone uses it.
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Maybe "Conflict of mutual interests" would be more to your liking.....or "Disagreements".....or "or "Anti-War Killing Innocent Civilians Violent Protests".....or "Terrorist Game"......or "Those expressing their different opinions the best way they know how"....or....

    I personally feel "War on Terror" is very accurate. I fully agree that Policing and Intel is a very big PART of this. But it is only one piece.
    Then you also believe in the "War on Drugs" etc.

    Terrorism is a tactic.
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    That's such an asinine comparison that it always makes me wonder what the agenda is when someone uses it.
    Denial is a wonderful thing eh hoovs?
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    I for one, am thankful the British authorties were able to stop this latest terror plot. While the US government was informed about what was happening, I don't think that should change one's political beliefs or opinions of the current administration, whether you're a rebulican or democrat. The part people need to understand is that you can not negotiate with terrorists. They are not soldiers, they don't represent a particular country. Most of all, they want to kill anyone who gets in the way of their goals, and if they could rid the world of Americans, believe it, they would. IMHO the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. Let's stop pretending that every time a terror plot is uncovered that it I a conspiracy to help the current administration further their own goals. The UK is a partner with America, but don't think the Parliament agrees with everything the US does, because they don't.

    Let's put away the tconspiracy theories get on to the business of making the world a safer and better place for people of all races, religions and countries!
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    #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    One of the dumbest phrases ever coined by the media is the term "homicide bomber".
    Did you know that in the dictionary under redundant it says, "see 'redundant?'"

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  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    I just don't get it. A major terrorist plot was foiled, and your spinning this as an agenda by a political party becuase you don't agree with their ideas and values. You use words like "guarentee", and "obviously", without really having full knowledge of the facts or any evidence in support of your theory.

    Cant it just be as it appears? Isnt it a good thing that the plot was foiled?

    I don't recall being told I couldn't take a soda on a plane after 1995. Do you?
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    #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by z3bum
    I for one, am thankful the British authorties were able to stop this latest terror plot. While the US government was informed about what was happening, I don't think that should change one's political beliefs or opinions of the current administration, whether you're a rebulican or democrat.
    well said.
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    #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    I don't recall being told I couldn't take a soda on a plane after 1995. Do you?
    Your point being what? Could it be that intelligence has found that terrorists have adapted and advanced their techniques, and now have the ability to use explosives hidden in liquids?

    Me thinks the flouride the government puts in your water to track your movements is getting to you.
  15. #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    One of the dumbest phrases ever coined by the media is the term "homicide bomber".
    The "media" didn't coin it. The Bush White House coined it in 2002. I've never heard anyone except Fox News use it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_bomber
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Your point being what? Could it be that intelligence has found that terrorists have adapted and advanced their techniques, and now have the ability to use explosives hidden in liquids?

    Me thinks the flouride the government puts in your water to track your movements is getting to you.
    Me thinks you're forgetting about:
    Fingerprints on a bomb recipe notebook found in the burned apartment convinced the FBI that the brains behind "Project Bojinka" was Yousef, a young engineer born in either Iran or Pakistan, also accused in the World Trade Center bombing. Authorities think Yousef flew out of New York just hours after that explosion, later launched a failed plot in Thailand to bomb an Israeli consulate, and wound up in the Philippines.

    The FBI believes he staged a test for Project Bojinka in December 1994, leaving a bomb under a seat on a Philippine Airlines flight, killing a Japanese tourist.

    According to Cannistraro, "His particular, peculiar evil genius was to devise a method of putting together a liquid explosive that could not be detected by the security apparatuses in effect at most airports at that time."
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    #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Me thinks you're forgetting about:
    Fingerprints on a bomb recipe notebook found in the burned apartment convinced the FBI that the brains behind "Project Bojinka" was Yousef, a young engineer born in either Iran or Pakistan, also accused in the World Trade Center bombing. Authorities think Yousef flew out of New York just hours after that explosion, later launched a failed plot in Thailand to bomb an Israeli consulate, and wound up in the Philippines.

    The FBI believes he staged a test for Project Bojinka in December 1994, leaving a bomb under a seat on a Philippine Airlines flight, killing a Japanese tourist.

    According to Cannistraro, "His particular, peculiar evil genius was to devise a method of putting together a liquid explosive that could not be detected by the security apparatuses in effect at most airports at that time."
    Im confused, what is your point?
  18. #58  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble
    The "media" didn't coin it. The Bush White House coined it in 2002. I've never heard anyone except Fox News use it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_bomber
    Ah, you're right. I do remember that being pushed by the WH. And yes, Fox seems to be the only ones using it. I cringe everytime I hear it.
  19. #59  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Denial is a wonderful thing eh hoovs?
    Denial of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Im confused, what is your point?
    In 1995 a plot to do exactly the same was broken up. I
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