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    I congratulate Lamont on his win. I only hope he serves his country more than he does his party.
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       #82  
    Quote Originally Posted by Tastypeppers
    That's 14,000 newly registered Democrats and 14,000 people who switched from unaffiliated to Democrat so they could vote in the primary. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/08/D8JCKRTO0.html

    Independents who switch parties to vote in a primary are not really loyal Democrats. In my youth I would switch every primary to vote in the more interesting primary, D or R. Later on I got lazy.

    So I think the 14,000 new Democratic voters mean something bad to the Republicans. They probably mean something bad for Joe Lieberman--I'm assuming that these are people who were inspired by Lamont's candidacy so will vote for him in November.

    But the 14,000 unaffiliated switchers will probably remain independents for the general election. I'm not sure where those votes go, however. I suspect that independents are more "in the middle" rather than hard right or hard left. That would suggest a Lieberman benefit from these folks.
    I will go w/ a fifty/fifty split, I say this because I my self am a (I). I am just sick of how our country is being run, and I would suspect that 50% of the (I)s in CT feel the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Isnt it his right to run if he wants to?
    in this country idiots, hypocrites, and jackasses are allowed to run for elective office (only foreign born monkeys are excluded, as far as I know)

    A close defeat is an awful outcome because it enables Leiberman to claim a kind of "moral" victory while being actually defeated.

    I wanted Lamont to have a big win because I wanted to punish Leberman for his destructive support of junior and his catastrophic wars -- but whats more important to me is retaking the congress from the GOP mafia.

    A close victory by Lamont enables Leiberman to continue campaigning and potentially giving the seat to the repugs (like the Javitz to D'Amato 3 way horror).

    Defeating the repugs was always the primary prize for me -- Leiberman in particular was a secondary concern in comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    in this country idiots, hypocrites, and jackasses are allowed to run for elective office (only foreign born monkeys are excluded, as far as I know)

    Defeating the repugs was always the primary prize for me -- Leiberman in particular was a secondary concern in comparison.
    But others in Conn. might disagree. Again, I ask, isnt it his right to run if he wants? If hes as bad as you say, he wont win anyway (that ryhmes).
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       #85  
    Harry Reid may have to strip Lieberman of committee assignments, seeing as how he will no longer be a Democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    I will go w/ a fifty/fifty split, I say this because I my self am a (I). I am just sick of how our country is being run, and I would suspect that 50% of the (I)s in CT feel the same way.
    I put myself in the same category. I am unwilling to abandon integrity to swallow the Party Line of either extreme position. Life ain't binary. Life doesn't mean "it's Karl Rove's way or the highway" or "it's Kos's way or the highway".

    It isn't "Us vs. the evil people who must be crushed at all costs." That kind of thinking is a lot like the church in which I was raised, where there was "us" (the saved who would go to heaven) and "them" (everyone else). Later as an adult I realized that "them" and "us" were really all the same kind of people.

    But mostly I think I detest the name calling. It happens on both sides. Moonbat. Wingnut. And it goes on from there. This is adolescent. When I hear this stuff I know what I'm dealing with. (It means the "Ignore" function on TC, and the equivalent in the real world). There is nothing productive that will happen so long as insult is used instead of dialog.

    So yeah, NRG, I hope those (I) people in CT, FL, and CA (meaning me) take a step in favor of adult behavior.
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    my worries about the repugs grabbing Lieberman's Senate seat seem to have been confirmed by what I've read in Time magazine's bio of him.

    He's a classic repug, one whom they will no doubt proudly rally around.

    "... you'd think Republicans would be licking their chops. With Leiberman's loss, the GOP could actually make a run for his crucial Senate seat. If they had the right candidate.

    Problem is, very few people think Alan Schlesinger or Alan Gold, as he used to call himself when he was gambling at Connecticut's Indian casinos is the right candidate. Last spring, back when Lamont was a joke and Lieberman looked unassailable, Schlesinger took the time to tour Connecticut collecting enough votes to get himself the Republican nomination. The former state legislator and mayor of Derby was not exactly a political star, but no one begrudged him the work he put in to get the party's nod. As one former GOP lawmaker put it in a recent op-ed in the Hartford Courant, "No one was very enthused about Schlesinger, but he had the virtue of wanting the nomination."

    Everyone was less enthused when it emerged that at one of the Connecticut casinos Schlesinger/Gold used to patronize, he had gotten a "Wampum card" a kind of frequent flier bonus card issued to gamblers based on the volume of bets. Opinion dropped even further when, after he said he couldn't remember having any gambling debts, it came out that Schlesinger had paid more than $28,000 to settle lawsuits with two Atlantic City Casinos in 1990 and 1994..."
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    Hmmm. I remember with Jeffords that becoming an Independent was the most noble thing a politician could do...
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       #89  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    I only hope he serves his country more than he does his party.
    Tom are you willing to hold Repubs to this same standard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Hmmm. I remember with Jeffords that becoming an Independent was the most noble thing a politician could do...
    heh, that's pretty good.

    There is a big difference though. Lieberman is switching to save his political hind, whereas Jeffords was switching because he realized, quite early, that story he and the country were sold about 'moderate conservatism' was a sham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    No. He claims to be a member of the Democratic Party then he should honor the primary.
    Lieberman got his senate seat by beating someone who basically said "screw you" to the establishment and ran as an independent for governor after he lost his senate seat. Of course, Weicker is now supporting Lamont... No sour grapes.
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    But then again, his loyalty has always been to himself.
    His loyalty has been to the causes he thinks are right, which are not always the same as a given set of people. To some that smacks of arrogance, but to those who sit back and think about it, I think it indicates a sense of integrity that many people don't have. This primary would have never happened had he had a "loyalty" to the democratic party and shifted stances (you know, that whole voting against it after voting for it thing). Unfortunately Joe is a class act, and should he lose in November, will be sorely missed by rational people everywhere who think there is more to politics than agreeing with whatever the public opinion is come election day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Hmmm. I remember with Jeffords that becoming an Independent was the most noble thing a politician could do...
    That move made me sick. At least Joe is telling people he's an independent and not robbing a party of their ability to nominate someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    rational people everywhere who think there is more to politics than agreeing with whatever the public opinion is come election day.
    I wonder where you crossed the line of rationality yourself. Contrast what you said above, defending a person who once said this:

    Lieberman: "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years, We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."

    ... basically we should tolerate folks who disagree with some of our points of view (which, we do) but we should Never disagree with the President? This is why he's in the situation he got himself into.

    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    That move made me sick. At least Joe is telling people he's an independent and not robbing a party of their ability to nominate someone
    Oh really? Lieberman, August 6, 2006 (3 days ago):

    "my record of experience and results makes me the best Democrat to serve Connecticut in the U.S. Senate."
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    Quote Originally Posted by g-funkster
    I wonder where you crossed the line of rationality yourself. Contrast what you said above, defending a person who once said this:

    Lieberman: "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years, We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."

    ... basically we should tolerate folks who disagree with some of our points of view (which, we do) but we should Never disagree with the President? This is why he's in the situation he got himself into.
    Uh, he didn't say that. Read again.
    Quote Originally Posted by g-funkster
    Oh really? Lieberman, August 6, 2006 (3 days ago):

    "my record of experience and results makes me the best Democrat to serve Connecticut in the U.S. Senate."
    So the best democrat is the one that listens to whatever his bosses say? Yeesh, I'm glad I'm not part of that party. Here I was thinking the best politicians are the ones who do what is best for their country and the world while maintaining a sense of moral direction. Silly me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Tom are you willing to hold Repubs to this same standard?
    Yes I am. I am not a republican. In fact most sides make me alittle sick. The two party system as it exists today has gridlocked our country. Every elected official should be an independent and vote on the issues in a way that would be most beneficial to their country, even if it differs from their party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Every elected official should be an independent and vote on the issues in a way that would be most beneficial to their country, even if it differs from their party.
    Just thought I would repeat that. :-)
    Unfortunately political parties have moved from the results of beliefs to the source of beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    Uh, he didn't say that. Read again.
    haha ok.
    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    So the best democrat is the one that listens to whatever his bosses say? Yeesh, I'm glad I'm not part of that party. Here I was thinking the best politicians are the ones who do what is best for their country and the world while maintaining a sense of moral direction. Silly me.
    Oh boy, perhaps you were asleep when Michael Steele, Republican, anonymously told the washington post that he calls his affiliation to his party "an impediment" and called the republican R a "scarlett letter".

    How does his 'noble' party react? It wasn't good. Steele was forced to come crawling back, saying that bush was his "homeboy" and lied saying that he felt his conversation with the reporter was private when the reporter has him on tape allowing his quotes to be "used and attributed to a Republican Senate candidate"

    Yeesh, I'm glad I'm not part of that party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Every elected official should be an independent and vote on the issues in a way that would be most beneficial to their country, even if it differs from their party.
    That would be a short political career.

    Don't blame the politicians for doing what it takes to get elected. Blame the electorate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aprasad
    That would be a short political career.

    Don't blame the politicians for doing what it takes to get elected. Blame the electorate.
    Thats just a fantastic way for an elected official to serve our country....do anything it takes to get elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g-funkster
    haha ok.
    Oh boy, perhaps you were asleep when Michael Steele, Republican, anonymously told the washington post that he calls his affiliation to his party "an impediment" and called the republican R a "scarlett letter".

    How does his 'noble' party react? It wasn't good. Steele was forced to come crawling back, saying that bush was his "homeboy" and lied saying that he felt his conversation with the reporter was private when the reporter has him on tape allowing his quotes to be "used and attributed to a Republican Senate candidate"

    Yeesh, I'm glad I'm not part of that party.
    And if you read my other posts, you'll see that I disagree with all that as well. At least you saved me some typing. :-)
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