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    If Israel, the US and a select others don't stamp out terrorism now - then when? I feel fortunate these countries don't bow to public opinion. Political correctness forbids many referring terrorism to Islam, which is part of the problem. Islam isn't directly the problem it is the interpretation of Islam by a minority that is rapidly gaining followers. The ideology to hate Jews for existing, Democracy and want only their religion is the problem. When are you going to wake up and realize this?
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    It's not hidden...it shows up every time an "infidel" (read i?ocent person) is killed by these nutjobs.

    Islam (it's followers) promote/condone/do nothing to stop the killing of innocent people. Lip service at best.

    Now, hundreds of years ago, that might have been different, but this is 2006, not 1006.

    Bottom line is that every major religion has had a reformation of some type, in which is adpated and evolved. Islam has never had it, so until that happens, they will go merrily along blowing up children.

    And spare me the "US, Israel, etc." are just as bad - that is plain bull shyte and everyone knows it. The US and Israel show remarkable restraint, given what they could do.

    Look at Iran - they are changing words for crying out loud - it's so Orwellian over there it's beyond scary.

    Either take a stand now, or get effed later. I for one am in the former camp.
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    You guys are really coming off as sounding like major bigots.

    ATM, you've really gone further and further in that direction. Perhaps doing an episode of 30 Days and spending some time among practitioners of Islam and you'll likely see Islamists are the fringe just like Abortion clinic bombers of the Christian faith.
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    Actually that 30 days episode came under heavy fire when it was leaked that he had his planned result before he started and then apparently tried to mold the experience to fit that. I never did see the episode, but there was thread here at TC talking about it when if first aired, which is why I even know about it.
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    I don't know why people have so much trouble understanding the middle east crisis. here's the short version:

    There's this otherwise useless spot of desert that at one time or another served as the birthplace of various religions. In the name of their God, each of these sects wound up slaughtering people of the other sect. In true Hatfield and McCoy mindests, this fighting will continue ad infinitum.

    For simplicity's sake, let's say the "holy land" was occupied at one time or another by Teams A, B, and C. Team A wants to be in control of the place and keep it's people away from influences by teams B and C lest they start to doubt their own beliefs. Teams B and C have identical mindsets.

    Now if B is there, teams A & C gonna want them out. Team A hates Team B and is convinced they never woulda been kicked out of the area if Team X didn't jump in and help them. Now Team A is in no way capable of kicking out Team B, especially with Team X around, so maybe it gets help from common enemies, even Team C, but teams Y and Z are also welcome. If they can't win by outright military force, they will use guerilla tactics and terrorism or whatever tools become necessary.

    And while they are out getting back at B, they gonna talk every shot they can at X even tho that's a pretty scary prospect so on;ly the fringiest of teh fringe will jump at that. Of course the worse thing for X to do at that point is escalate matters by getting involved in additional squabbles. This allows A a nice set of propoganda saying such action only proves that the fringenoids aren't really fringe at all. This brings more moderates over to the fringe side and paints a bullseye on the back of every person on Team X.


    Team A's children grow up learning from birth all the evils perpetrated on them by B and C. Switch the letters around and repeat. Now if ya think ya got figured out who Team A, B and C are, forget it.....cause ya can assign any of he involved nations any of the letters ya like and the result will be exactly the same.

    Face it, right and wrong depends upon where you are sitting. Look in any holy book ya want and there's continual references to god's hand smiting thine enemies thru the swords held by the "chosen peoples". Tell me that there aren't people of all faiths who espouse violence in the name of their God.....the Psalms of the Judeo-Christian Bible are one of the best sources of such "faith based" violence. Tell me how this bit of history ...."taking pleasure in bashing the babes upon the rocks" differs in mindset from what we are seeing today.

    This isn't about right and wrong it's about revenge, insecurity and which set of people wearing tall funny hats is in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Islam isn't directly the problem it is the interpretation of Islam by a minority that is rapidly gaining followers. The ideology to hate Jews for existing, Democracy and want only their religion is the problem.
    I don't understand how you reconcile this post with the title "Terrorism, an ideology hidden within Islam". It's not that terrorism is 'hidden' in Islam (Im not an expert but I have never seen someone make that claim). While I agree that terrorism is the wrong approach for the extremists (and I don't condone it), it doesnt take much to see (and possibly understand) why they do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    I don't understand how you reconcile this post with the title "Terrorism, an ideology hidden within Islam".
    Yea I noticed that too. It's a good point.
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    Try holding a child in your arms whose head is half blown off but one of those nutjobs. My sister-in-law had to do this. Horrifying.

    Bigots? Please. Realist is more like it.

    Comparing abortion clinic bombers to Islamic jihadists is like comparing two pennies to 10 tons of gold. One is a tiny fringe group that gets hunted down and thrown in prison or killed. The other is millions of nutjobs who would rather kill that live in peace.

    Time will tell, just history shows if you don't eliminate tyrannical nuts, they just get worse. The parallelism of Muslim "jihad" and the rise of the Nazis is very similar...study your history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    You guys are really coming off as sounding like major bigots.

    ATM, you've really gone further and further in that direction. Perhaps doing an episode of 30 Days and spending some time among practitioners of Islam and you'll likely see Islamists are the fringe just like Abortion clinic bombers of the Christian faith.
    I'm not a bigot - don't mind Islam or any religion. I don't support either terrorists or abortion clinic bombers. But one major difference is Terrorism is a ideology of many, abortion clinic bombers are individuals that come out every 5 - 10 years.
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    Not following ya are you saying it is not hidden, that it is transparent?

    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    I don't understand how you reconcile this post with the title "Terrorism, an ideology hidden within Islam". It's not that terrorism is 'hidden' in Islam (Im not an expert but I have never seen someone make that claim). While I agree that terrorism is the wrong approach for the extremists (and I don't condone it), it doesnt take much to see (and possibly understand) why they do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec
    The parallelism of Muslim "jihad" and the rise of the Nazis is very similar...study your history.
    You're kidding right? Blanket statements like the ones you're making about a group are more akin to the scapegoating of the Jews by the National Socialist Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Actually that 30 days episode came under heavy fire when it was leaked that he had his planned result before he started and then apparently tried to mold the experience to fit that. I never did see the episode, but there was thread here at TC talking about it when if first aired, which is why I even know about it.
    DT, ever read "The Battle For God"? There are extremists in every faith who all share the common trait of committing heinous acts in self-righteous delusion. We seem to be hearing disproportionately from the Islamic fringe right now, and their numbers seem to be growing unlike the fanatics in the other two major religions. And, as best I can tell, the difference is that those in the other two religions don't espouse obliterating any faith but theirs and imposing a worldwide hegemonistic dominance as I keep hearing the Islamic fundamentalists wish to create. So, while it may sound racist, there is a basis in reality for these feelings.
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    An idealogy which concides with Islam?
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    Terrorism, an ideology hidden within Islam
    An entire thread devoted to suggesting that terrorism is "hidden within Islam"? Really?

    Well, I suppose freedom of speech and all. We should be happy this view is limited to the hatefull and the extreme. It won't be long before the moderates take control again.
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    The answer to two questions should make my point:

    1) How many abortion clinics in this or any other country have been bombed?

    2) What single issue do the countries of the US, the UK, Spain, Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, China, Russia, Sudan, Egypt and others share in common?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    An idealogy which concides with Islam?
    I don't think so, I think Islam and all religions want peace. It's the way the terrorists interpret it for the gain of their ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsifIqbal
    An entire thread devoted to suggesting that terrorism is "hidden within Islam"? Really?

    Well, I suppose freedom of speech and all. We should be happy this view is limited to the hatefull and the extreme. It won't be long before the moderates take control again.
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    Let's play a hypothetical game: What if UN had never established the state of Israel? What if Palestine was either an Arab country, or part of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt from the very beginning. (I'm not advocating this, or even suggesting that this it is possible to turn back the clock).

    How much terrorism would we be seeing coming out of Isalm?

    I think we would see some, but that it would be directed inwards:

    1. Shia vs. Sunni: Has always happened, including in India etc. But this would be like the Irish struggle of Catholics vs Protestants.

    2. Internal terrorism/struggle against dictators: Sort of like elsewhere in the world: Central America, South America, Africa.

    The future of "Islamic terrorism" and how it affects the "rest of us" depends on if/when/how the Middle East dispute gets resolved ... eventually.
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