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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    As oppposed to just the opposite on Fox? Intersting indeed.
    My goodness, Im not screaming "bias" at cnn. Im saying that its amazing that syria, lebanaon, and hezbollah feel the attacks on Israel are justified, but the Israel response is not. Im not talking about TV stations at all.
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    #282  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Have read this yet? http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm if not please read it then come back and give your thoughts. Notice it says 'brief', which it is not.

    Remember, when you assume, you make an............
    Thanks for the history lesson.
    The Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
  3.    #283  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    As oppposed to just the opposite on Fox? Intersting indeed.
    If you're implying Fox is pro-Israel, you seem to be conceding that CNN is anti-Israel.
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    If terrorists kidnapped some US border patrols, were sitting in Canada and Mexico, and lobbing thousands of missiles into the US, would the US be justified in responding?
    The Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
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    #285  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael
    Thanks for the history lesson.
    Did you read it?
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    Do you even know why Israel went into Lebanon in 1982, that in turn caused Hizbollah to be formed by Iran? PLO was attacking Israel with rockets. This is why the bombing should continue till all Hizballah is wiped out.

    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Just wanted to throw this out there. Hezbollah would not have existed if it wasn't for Israel's actions.

    For every action, there is a reaction.
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    #287  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    If you're implying Fox is pro-Israel, you seem to be conceding that CNN is anti-Israel.
    I don't know yet. I am trying to watch all the channels. As of right now though I can tell you Fox has shown nothing but Israel officials, and are mainly reporting from Israel. CNN on the other hand, I feel has been giving both viewpoints, equal amount of time.
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    #288  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Do you even know why Israel went into Lebanon in 1982, that in turn caused Hizbollah to be formed by Iran? PLO was attacking Israel with rockets. This is why the bombing should continue till all Hizballah is wiped out.
    The dinosaurs came first, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes, I couldn't believe it...

  9. #289  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    If this happened, there would be no more Israel. Millions of refugees be allowed to return to homes inside of Israel proper will never happen. Maybe they can be allowed to settle in the West Bank.
    Then the enemies of Israel can say the same thing of the resolution creating Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael
    Can't really. I admit that I'm running on assumptions as I've not had time to research that particular resolution. Don't let that delay you in making your point, please.

    That particular resolution was made in 1948 but please, you (and Israel) take your time in researching it.
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    #291  
    Give me your thoughts on this guys/gals. I was wondering if this incident is what started this whole recent outbreak.




    June 10

    Israeli artillery shells have struck a group of Palestinian civilians at a beach in Bait Lahiya in northern Gaza, killing seven people, including three children, and wounding 36 others, Aljazeera reports.


    The artillery shells were fired on Friday by Israeli gunboats stationed just off the Mediterranean coast.


    The dead and the wounded Palestinians were having a picnic on the beach as it was the weekly holiday, Aljazeera's correspondent Wael al-Dahduh said.


    The barrage scattered body parts along the seaside. A tent was destroyed, and bloody sheets were scattered about. A crowd quickly flocked to the area, screaming and running around in confusion.
  12. #292  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    DaT,
    Im not sure I understand what you want to happen here, you want Israel to stop its military operation in Lebanon, without the rocket and missle fire being stopped into its own country? What would the Israeli PM tell his own people...."More of you are going to die in the coming days, and we are not going to try to stop it". I have failed to see you once call for an end to the rocket fire.

    You also seem to want Israel to comply with UN resolutions against them, but dont seem really interested in the UN resolutions demanding Hezbollah to disarm.

    Its real interesting seeing the Lebanese PM, the Hezbollah spokesman, and the syrian ambassador all on CNN complaining about the barbaric attacks on Lebanon without even mentioning the deadly attacks on Israel, and not mentioning who started this whole disaster.
    I want to see Israel call for a cease fire, a prisoner exchange, and the conditions under which they will recognize the elected palestinian party AND the concessions they are willing to meet which should include the following:

    Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
    General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948

    "Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."


    Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal.
    Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967

    Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."



    Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal.
    Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979

    "Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East."



    Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.
    General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974

    Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and "to national independence and sovereignty."



    Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State
    Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002

    Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders."
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    #293  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Then the enemies of Israel can say the same thing of the resolution creating Israel.
    The enemies of Israel? like Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, former enemies like Egypt and Jordan. How is the creation of Israel a threat to the existence of these entities?
  14. #294  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Give me your thoughts on this guys/gals. I was wondering if this incident is what started this whole recent outbreak.
    Are you being sarcastic?

  15. #295  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    The enemies of Israel? like Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, former enemies like Egypt and Jordan. How is the creation of Israel a threat to the existence of these entities?
    No, you can start with the enemies creeated by taking their land. The 1948 resokution tries to make up for this.
  16. #296  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    No, you can start with the enemies creeated by taking their land. The 1948 resokution tries to make up for this.
    Who started the crisis that caused that situation to even be able to take place to start with?
  17. #297  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    If you're implying Fox is pro-Israel, you seem to be conceding that CNN is anti-Israel.
    What color is the sky on your world?

    That's the most bizarre logic i've ever seen.
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    #298  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    Are you being sarcastic?

    What do you mean? It was relativly stable, for over, before there this incident
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    I want to see Israel call for a cease fire, a prisoner exchange, and the conditions under which they will recognize the elected palestinian party
    I want the elected palestinian party to recognize Israels right to exist. As for the prisoner exchange, Hezbollah is demanding the release of a man that kidnapped and brutally killed a 5 year old girl. If you were that girls family would you want him released.


    Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
    Can't and won't ever happen. This would mean the end of the Jewish state of Israel as there would be now more Arabs then jews. The Arabs ofcourse achieve their goal, which is the elimination of the jewish state.


    Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders."
    Agreed. Build big walls.

    Why didnt you recognize the UN resolution calling for Hezbollah to disarm? Did you forget about that one or do you not care.
  20. #300  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    What do you mean? It was relativly stable, for over, before there this incident
    Yes, that was the incident which started this. I thought I had mentioned it a couple of times in this thread.

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