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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    No crime the US committed is indefensible. It was always for the greater good, like supporting the Contra rebels in Nicaragua and mining their ports. Doesn't matter if the rebels mainly terrorized civilians. As long as US interests are served there are no terrorists, only freedom fighters, and no crimes are indefensible.

    Surur
    And how many times did we use "indefensible" acts to save your country. Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
    Last edited by geatches; 06/13/2006 at 08:50 PM.
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
  2. #102  
    Now that you mention it, the fire bombing of Dresden does ring an ethical bell.

    Surur
  3. #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    Do you really think you have become more ethical since then. I would say less.

    Surur
    Of course you would.
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    #104  
    Now that you mention it, the fire bombing of Dresden does ring an ethical bell.
    Germany shouldnt complain about anything. Why didnt you mention the blitz on london? And ofcourse, lets not forget some 8 million jews, gypsies, and other non "pure" germans that were marched into the ovens.

    How can you blame America for Dresden without even mentioning the atrocities from the other side. I'll tell you why, your hatred of America has blinded you and given you a wacked out sense of morality. For example

    1. Beheading hostages is right. No trials for terrorists in US jails is wrong.
    2. Blowing up jewish children is right. Killing terrorists in pinpoint operations is wrong.
    3. Bombing Dresden is unethical. No mention of German bombing of London.

    Warped...very warped.
  5. #105  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Warped...very warped.
    What I'm wondering is when did colleges start requiring students to take the "Sins of the US" class. Was it the same time that wannabes like Ward Churchill started being called "intellectuals"?
  6. #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    Germany shouldnt complain about anything. Why didnt you mention the blitz on london? And ofcourse, lets not forget some 8 million jews, gypsies, and other non "pure" germans that were marched into the ovens.

    How can you blame America for Dresden without even mentioning the atrocities from the other side. I'll tell you why, your hatred of America has blinded you and given you a wacked out sense of morality. For example

    1. Beheading hostages is right. No trials for terrorists in US jails is wrong.
    2. Blowing up jewish children is right. Killing terrorists in pinpoint operations is wrong.
    3. Bombing Dresden is unethical. No mention of German bombing of London.

    Warped...very warped.
    Tomups, the point is very simple. USA is not holy, so stop acting so holier than thou. When you do something wrong, such as flouting your own laws in Guantanamo, admit it and feel ashamed. Dont use that old bluster of American Exceptionalism. No one else thinks you that special.

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    #107  
    Tomups, the point is very simple. USA is not holy, so stop acting so holier than thou.
    and my point is that anybody who favors beheadings and blowing up children should tell no one to "stop acting so holier than thou". Look in the mirror first.
  8. #108  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    Tomups, the point is very simple. USA is not holy, so stop acting so holier than thou. When you do something wrong, such as flouting your own laws in Guantanamo, admit it and feel ashamed. Dont use that old bluster of American Exceptionalism. No one else thinks you that special.

    Surur
    Except the millions of people who are all clamouring to get here.
  9. #109  
    Ah, so easily you miss the point. By supporting the bombing of other countries you are also supporting the killing of women and children for your own political goals. Its your holier than thou-ness that is talking right now.

    Surur
  10. #110  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    Except the millions of people who are all clamouring to get here.
    Yes, maybe USA would benefit from a change of culture. Tequilas anyone?

    Surur
  11. #111  
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    Music adaptation by Pete Seeger & Julian Orbon
    Lyric adaptation by Julian Orbon, based on a poem by Jose Marti

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    Yo soy un hombre sincero
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    Echar mis versos del alma

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  12. #112  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    Yes, maybe USA would benefit from a change of culture. Tequilas anyone?

    Surur
    Right, because Mexico is such a bastion of freedom and liberty. Give it up already.
  13. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by RICHINMJ
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  14. #114  
    Quote Originally Posted by geatches
    I concede your point. I cannot defend what democrats did forty years ago. I am a conservative because of the way liberals treated Dr. King among many others. They are, and always have been despicable.
    I think you get pleasure in dividing people? My point wasn't partisan. My point was about the governement. I wasn't trying to make it a liberal vs conservative thing. There are plenty of examples showing republican fault as well. And I don't have to go back 40 years. I believe in 2004 and FBI agent testified to falsifying dna evidence in nearly 100 cases. The list goes on. Some things are simply the ills of indivduals, I don't count them to make my point. I do include misuse and criminal activity that is condoned by departments, agencies, etc.
  15. #115  
    The FBI agent that testified to falsifying dna evidence was a democrat. What's that mean
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  16. #116  
    Quote Originally Posted by clairegrrl
    The FBI agent that testified to falsifying dna evidence was a democrat. What's that mean
    It means that all that is wrong with the world is because of democrats!
  17. #117  
    Quote Originally Posted by gaffa
    It means that all that is wrong with the world is because of democrats!
    Who could argue with that?
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
  18. #118  
    Ohh....OK. That makes sense
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  19. #119  
    Quote Originally Posted by gaffa
    It means that all that is wrong with the world is because of democrats!
    Not completely true! Jacques Chirac, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Il are NOT Democrats.
  20. #120  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim
    Not completely true! Jacques Chirac, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Il are NOT Democrats.
    But can you be sure they're not on the DNC payroll?

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