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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    Hey, only a few died so far. Whatever they doing must be very good. \not to mention the dogs.

    Surur
    Hmm, no source?
  2. #102  
    You dont believe anybody died, or you dont believe about the dogs?

    Surur
  3. #103  
    At least 45 detainees died in U.S. custody due to suspected or confirmed criminal homicides.[1] At least eight people were tortured to death. At least 98 detainees have died while in U.S. custody in Iraq or Afghanistan;[2]
    http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_l.../factsheet.htm

    Surur
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    #104  
    Yes Iraq never attacked you. In fact you attacked them. Twice. So dont talk to me about a war of self-defense. America is very offensive.
    read my whole quote.....
    "No, its about killing the ones that want to kill me and my family, and not killing and actually protecting the ones that dont."

    Where did I say Iraq attacked the U.S.? Where did I say its a war of self-defense? Stop making stuff up.

    BTW, that insane Iranian leader was democratically elected. Guess not all democracies automatically agree with America. Are you going to try "regime change" there too and install a puppet regime?
    didnt take your anti-wacko pills today did ya?
    1.First of all to say he was democratically elected when most of the moderate leaders were disqualified to run for the office by the religious crazies is a little bit of a stretch.

    2. I could really care less if other democracies agree with America when it comes to whats best for America.

    3. No desire to install a puppet regime there. If Iranians want to be run by a nut job, thats their business. However, if the Iranian backed Hezbollah commits one act of terrorism on US soil, I would make Tehran glow. Its funny though, in a country that pulls in billions of dollars in oil money, most people live at the poverty level and unemployment is estimated at about 30%. Hes doing real good by his own people.
  5. #105  
    I'm deploying in September. Took a new job with the DOD to do so. So I've put my a** where my mouth is, so to speak. That is my level of commitment to this fight.

    The transition will be at least another three years. By then the Iraqi military, police and internal security forces will have had the benefit of all we can do for them. (Contrary to geniuses on the left and right, an army of soldiers that have had three months training isn't an army. It takes years to build units capable of sustained, independent operations.)

    The Left has been comparing this to Vietnam from Day One. Well, their constant attacks against the administration and the military have set that condition. (Was it Leahy or Biden that compared US soldiers to Nazi storm troopers?) Vietnam had support from major nations, the USSR and China. The Iraq insurgency has Iran and Syria. The media has maligned our efforts at every turn, gleefully reporting every problem and misstep, doing all they can to inflict a sense of fatigue. All that remains now is for a Demo/Socialist congress to get elected and cut off aid to the fledgling Iraqi government and the comparison will be complete. Then we'll really see a bloodletting.
  6. #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    3. No desire to install a puppet regime there. If Iranians want to be run by a nut job, thats their business.
    If only... But the problem is that almost half the Iranians abtain from voting and the rest are limited to voting for the hard-liners since the moderates and reformists are always mysteriously disqualified.
  7. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Then we'll really see a bloodletting.
    No doubt. If we pull out before the Iraqis get on their feet the mass graves will be overflowing once again.
  8. #108  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    I'm deploying in September. Took a new job with the DOD to do so. So I've put my a** where my mouth is, so to speak. That is my level of commitment to this fight.
    Though we disagree on this topic, I respect that your commitment is genuine -- and I very much hope you return safely.

    The transition will be at least another three years. By then the Iraqi military, police and internal security forces will have had the benefit of all we can do for them. (Contrary to geniuses on the left and right, an army of soldiers that have had three months training isn't an army. It takes years to build units capable of sustained, independent operations.)
    there have been a slew of articles in the last week about the iraqi "army" and "police" -- they are now nothing but uniformed death squads. They are permeated with an unsavory bunch of militia, kidnapers, insurgents, and al Quaida.

    Instead of bringing stability and peace, they are contributing to the calamity and slaughter.

    The Left has been comparing this to Vietnam from Day One.
    I urge you to go Vietnam. Witness for yourself what 58,000+ american gave their lives to fight against.

    It is among the most interesting places in the world now.

    This is the place that rumy is visiting today to sign a military cooperation agreement with.

    HANOI (Reuters) - Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said on Monday that U.S.-Vietnamese ties had reached a "new level" and that the former battlefield enemies would boost military exchanges and training...

    ...Rumsfeld and Tra agreed to increase "exchanges at all levels of the military and in various ways further strengthen the military to military relationship," he told reporters...

    ..."I was and remain struck by the economic success that you can see and the activity and the change in this city," he said...
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  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    I'm deploying in September. Took a new job with the DOD to do so. So I've put my a** where my mouth is, so to speak. That is my level of commitment to this fight.
    Are you another one of the fools who believe this? You have been skillfully manipulated to go kill Iraqis and hopefully to go die in the desert.

    Poll of US soldiers in Iraq Febrary 2006

    85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks

    77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq
    Surur
  10. #110  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    We do not target civilians like you, uhh terrorists do. You'll now probably post about the alleged event with the Marines doing exactly this, my response would be if it is true they would be punished and maybe get the death penalty.
    Death penalty? Judging from previous experience, this seems highly unlikely:
    The My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai) was a massacre committed by U.S. soldiers on hundreds of unarmed Vietnamese civilians, mostly women and children, on March 16, 1968, in the hamlet of My Lai, during the Vietnam War. ...

    On March 17, 1970, the United States Army charged 14 officers with suppressing information related to the incident. Most of these charges were dropped.

    U.S. Army Lt. William Calley was convicted in 1971 of premeditated murder in ordering the shootings and initially sentenced to life in prison; two days later, however, President Richard Nixon ordered him released from prison, pending appeal of his sentence. Calley served 3½ years of house arrest in his quarters at Fort Benning, Georgia, and was then ordered freed by Federal Judge J. Robert Elliot. ...

    Of the 26 men initially charged, Lt. Calley's was the only conviction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai
    So killing 300-500 civilians resulted in 3.5 years of house arrest for one person.
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  11. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    I'm deploying in September. Took a new job with the DOD to do so. So I've put my a** where my mouth is, so to speak. That is my level of commitment to this fight.

    The transition will be at least another three years. By then the Iraqi military, police and internal security forces will have had the benefit of all we can do for them.
    I respect your committment, but I doubt there is such a thing as an Iraqi army, or Iraqi police. There are Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite soldiers, militias and other "security" forces, not primarily Iraqi ones. I fear there is no way back to an "Iraqi" authority, if there ever was one apart from Saddam's dictatorship.

    There is no way to force a national identity upon people, no matter how much you try. I'm afraid you will never be sure who you are training, and how they will make use of that training. If the Iraqis are not sure who can be trusted, how can you be?
    Iraq's Interior Ministry on Tuesday launched an investigation into whether Iraqi police, or insurgents posing as police, were responsible for the kidnappings. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
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  12. #112  
    I believe there is such a thing as Islamic imperialism.
    I believe that Western values are worth fighting for.
    I believe that doing nothing is cultural suicide.

    Iraq is far from perfect, but it is a foothold in the enemy's backyard. We're fighting Iran there, and that is the fight for the 21st Century.
  13. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    Are you another one of the fools who believe this? You have been skillfully manipulated to go kill Iraqis and hopefully to go die in the desert.



    Surur
    Hoping me dead, eh? That's talk that would get a conservative banned here.

    Thanks for keeping the level of debate elevated.
  14. #114  
    Many of you all don't seem to grasp what is happening in the middle east. Islam has declared all out war on all non-moslems-period. They are hell bent on destroying our way of life-our civilization. They will inflict as much damage as they are capaple of. There is no end to their hatred for the west. They make no bones that all christians/jews are infidels and should die. If you are willing to convert to Islam I suggest you do so and all will be well. We need to hit them much harder than we are currently. Iraq is the beachhead. We are not about to wait for another 9/11 on our soil. They declared WW3 and now we must finish them off. I suggest that the majority of Moslems are decent peace loving people. They need to take hold of their wayward leaders who are exporting violence or else they too will perish. As for the palestineans-Israel will reach their boiling point fairly soon and take care of that situation. No compromise has EVER been enough over there. They also make no bones that Israel has no right to exist. It will simply be survival of the fittest.
  15. #115  
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Iraq is far from perfect, but it is a foothold in the enemy's backyard. We're fighting Iran there, and that is the fight for the 21st Century.
    In reality, the situation in Iraq makes sure you cannot fight Iran... at least not without losing thousands of soldiers in Iraq after attacking Iran.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
  16. #116  
    Quote Originally Posted by jfscars48
    Islam has declared all out war on all non-moslems-period. ...
    I suggest that the majority of Moslems are decent peace loving people.
    Try not to contradict yourself totally in one single post.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” (Philip K. ****)
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