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    Ariz. posse to arrest illegal immigrants
    By AMANDA LEE MYERS
    Associated Press Writer


    PHOENIX (AP) -- A posse of 100 volunteers and sheriff's deputies will patrol the Phoenix area and arrest any illegal immigrants, the county sheriff said.

    The group likely will be deployed across parts of Maricopa County by the weekend, Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Wednesday.

    Volunteers will be drawn from the department's 3,000-member posse, whose members are trained and are often former deputies.

    "It's important to send the message out to stay in Mexico and don't come roaming around here hoping you're going to get amnesty," said Arpaio, who in years past gained notoriety for putting inmates on chain gangs and issuing them striped uniforms and pink underwear.

    Arpaio's deputies have already arrested about 120 illegal immigrants using a new state smuggling law.

    "We're going to arrest any illegal who violates this new law," he said. "I'm not going to turn these people over to federal authorities so they can have a free ride back to Mexico. I'll give them a free ride into the county jail."

    Under the law - as interpreted by the Maricopa County attorney - illegal immigrants can be arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to smuggle themselves into the country. The law's authors have said they intended it to be used to prosecute smugglers, not the immigrants being smuggled.

    "We're going to arrest any illegal who violates this new law," he said. "I'm not going to turn these people over to federal authorities so they can have a free ride back to Mexico. I'll give them a free ride into the county jail."

    Under the law - as interpreted by the Maricopa County attorney - illegal immigrants can be arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to smuggle themselves into the country. The law's authors have said they intended it to be used to prosecute smugglers, not the immigrants being smuggled.

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    I can't find it now, but I read an article yesterday that stated the u.s.border patrol was going to inform the mexican govt. where (the areas) these guys would be stationed, so their citizens could avoid those areas. That really made no sense to me. That's like telling the drunks every year at christmas where the checkpoints will be. What does that accomplish except for wasted tax dollars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiveSoundGuy
    I can't find it now, but I read an article yesterday that stated the u.s.border patrol was going to inform the mexican govt. where (the areas) these guys would be stationed, so their citizens could avoid those areas. That really made no sense to me. That's like telling the drunks every year at christmas where the checkpoints will be. What does that accomplish except for wasted tax dollars?
    Wasting tax dollars?

    What do you think the Sherrif will have to do with all these migrant workers when the judge aquits them? You think a judge will convict Mexicans for smuggling THEMSELVES in to the country? Lol.

    And even if he did ... where will the sherrif put them? In his outside tent city prison where he can feed them 3 squares a day and buy pink underwear for them?
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    There is a huge disconnect on this issue (and other issues of national importance). namely, we have those who are choosing change laws "de facto" rather than "de jure"

    What they may not realize is that when you ignore the rule of law in one area, it erodes the power to enforce in all areas.
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    At least the Sherriff is doing something- and the right thing... while others just talk about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duanedude1
    At least the Sherriff is doing something- and the right thing... while others just talk about it.
    Ahh, another expert on right and wrong, good and evil.

    I was hoping one would come along so I could ask....

    After we put the farm workers in the tent city jail, who will care for their american citizen children? Or do we put them in prison also?
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    Oh the horror! Being arrested for breaking the law. Why not charge the Mexican Gov't for all costs incurred from arrest to return to Mexico? I think it is pretty common knowledge that the Mexican Gov't does not do a lot to discourage crossing the border.
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    Yeah....

    I heard about this yesterday. I think it's great. Afterall, the ILLEGAL ALIENS are here ILLEGALLY. Each ILLEGAL ALIEN broke US immigration laws by comming to the US without documentation.

    The ILLEGAL ALIENS are a drain on US society.

    The ILLEGAL ALIENS are taking jobs in the US that they are not entitled to. And no, I am talking about farm labor.

    Many ILLEGALS drive cars on US streets without a drivers licence or auto insurance.

    Many ILLEGALS commit other crimes in the US because there are to many ILLEGALS here.

    I love that sheriff Joe....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chckhbrt
    Yeah....

    I heard about this yesterday. I think it's great. Afterall, the ILLEGAL ALIENS are here ILLEGALLY. Each ILLEGAL ALIEN broke US immigration laws by comming to the US without documentation.

    The ILLEGAL ALIENS are a drain on US society.

    The ILLEGAL ALIENS are taking jobs in the US that they are not entitled to. And no, I am talking about farm labor.

    Many ILLEGALS drive cars on US streets without a drivers licence or auto insurance.

    Many ILLEGALS commit other crimes in the US because there are to many ILLEGALS here.

    I love that sheriff Joe....

    chuck
    They are not being arrested for being an illegal immigrant.

    They are being arrested based on a new smuggling law, on the idea that they smuggled THEMSELVES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    They are not being arrested for being an illegal immigrant.

    They are being arrested based on a new smuggling law, on the idea that they smuggled THEMSELVES.
    I am sure they had some part to play in being smuggled into the country. For those that were kidnapped and brought into the country, I am all for providing funding to allow them to return home. If the same people continue to get kidnapped and brought here against their will they may need training in home security measures.
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    Well you don't have to actually commit murder to be charged with conspiring to commit murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    I am sure they had some part to play in being smuggled into the country. For those that were kidnapped and brought into the country, I am all for providing funding to allow them to return home. If the same people continue to get kidnapped and brought here against their will they may need training in home security measures.
    lol, nevermind cardio, you're never going to get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Oh the horror! Being arrested for breaking the law. Why not charge the Mexican Gov't for all costs incurred from arrest to return to Mexico? I think it is pretty common knowledge that the Mexican Gov't does not do a lot to discourage crossing the border.
    Actually they have published pamplets on how to enter the US illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    lol, nevermind cardio, you're never going to get it
    If by "it" you mean turn a blind eye to someone who is breaking the law, you are right I will never get "it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by chckhbrt
    Yeah....

    The ILLEGAL ALIENS are a drain on US society.


    chuck
    Are illegal aliens really a drain on US society and funds? From over here (Europe) I have heard that USA is about the only VITAL first world country with a growing population, mainly due to illegal immigrants and minorities, and that this contributes dramatically to the economic growth rate there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Actually they have published pamplets on how to enter the US illegally.
    I know, but I bet Blaze will argue those booklets are just to show them where the water stations are. After all, we would not want those poor, tired, hungry mexicans (his words from another thread) getting thirsty as they attempt to break the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    Are illegal aliens really a drain on US society and funds? From over here (Europe) I have heard that USA is about the only VITAL first world country with a growing population, mainly due to illegal immigrants and minorities, and that this contributes dramatically to the economic growth rate there.

    Surur
    Even if that were the case, how much more economic growth would there be if these illegal aliens were law abiding citizens, you know paid full share of taxes, paid to have a motor vehicle license, paid motor vehicle insurance, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chckhbrt
    Yeah....

    I heard about this yesterday. I think it's great. Afterall, the ILLEGAL ALIENS are here ILLEGALLY. Each ILLEGAL ALIEN broke US immigration laws by comming to the US without documentation.

    The ILLEGAL ALIENS are a drain on US society.

    The ILLEGAL ALIENS are taking jobs in the US that they are not entitled to. And no, I am talking about farm labor.

    Many ILLEGALS drive cars on US streets without a drivers licence or auto insurance.

    Many ILLEGALS commit other crimes in the US because there are to many ILLEGALS here.

    I love that sheriff Joe....

    chuck
    I noticed that the article Blaze quoted was titled Illegal Immigrants and then he titled the thread Undocumented Immigrants. I said this first part before.....I always felt the turn of Undocumented Immigrant was a term to soften the reality of their illegal actions from crossing the border and living her outside of the system and against every immigration law on the books. If I stole a stereo system would I be thief or simply a Undocumented Stereo Owner with the legal rights to own the stereo if I got it home without getting caught? Would my actions be accountable to the law? If my stereo broke, would my new rights as an undocumented stereo owner entitle me to a brand new stereo?

    <<<<EDIT FOR BLAZE>>>>: WARNING! The following contails more than a single paragraph, lists facts to support claims, links to cites to verify facts, facts even though organized by subject is not bullet listed. <<<<EDIT FOR BLAZE >>>>

    I am totally, 100%, for immigration, but through the due process for several reasons (most of which have already been stated in this or other threads dealing with Illegal Aliens). Here are some stats on Illegal Immigrants in the US:

    >> National Security, do I really need to go into details on this one? In fact for the this ONE reason alone, I feel law proposed by Senators Jon Kyl & John Cornyn is valid and would get my vote.

    >>Health Care. We pay for their care out of our taxes, driving further due to hospitals closing that can’t afford fronting the money for illegal health care, high insurance rates, etc...

    FAIR estimates "there are currently between 287,000 and 363,000 children born to illegal aliens each year. In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year."

    In a recent year in Colorado, the state's emergency Medicaid program paid an estimated $30 million in hospital and physician delivery costs for about 6,000 illegal immigrant mothers - average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens represent 40% of the births paid for by Medicaid in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for full Medicaid services, with a cost yet to be tabulated.

    The federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) mandates that U.S. hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who requires care, including illegal aliens. Medical service for Americans in affected communities is being severely damaged as hospitals absorb more than $200 million in unreimbursed costs. Some emergency rooms have shut down because they cannot afford to stay open. Local tax-paying Americans are either denied medical care or have to wait in long lines for service as the illegals flood the facilities. In California, the losses are calculated to be about $79 million, with $74 million in Texas, $31 million in Arizona, and $6 million in New Mexico.
    http://www.theamericanresistance.com...alth_care.html

    An estimated one-third to one-half illegal aliens work off the books. It costs $200 million to provide for emergency health care for illegal aliens in the Border States annually. California with over three million illegals paid $79 million, BUT four of their major LA hospitals bankrupted and shut their doors in 2004. Texas with 1.5 million illegal aliens paid $74 million in hospital care. Who is Texas? You, the taxpayer, that’s who! Because you, in your state, pay commensurate medical care according to your illegal alien population. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits to their Grady Health Care system in 2002. In the same year, Georgia taxpayers paid $27 million for 11,188 anchor baby hospital births. Georgia taxpayers paid a whopping $242 million for educating illegal alien kids in 2003. What is it in your state?
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty2.htm
    >> Violent Crimes. Across the nation, it averages that 30% of all local and federal prisoners are illegal immigrants, many of which are in for violent crimes, i.e. murder, physical assault, rape, etc....

    Police commanders may not want to discuss, much less respond to, the illegal-alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling. Some examples:

    • In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

    • A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

    • The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.

    ................

    in 2000, for example, nearly 30 percent of federal prisoners were foreign-born. The agency couldn't’t find enough pro bono attorneys to represent such an army of criminal aliens (who have extensive due-process rights in contesting deportation) and so would have to request delay after delay. Or enough immigration judges would not be available. In 1997, the INS simply had no record of a whopping 36 percent of foreign-born inmates who had been released from federal and four state prisons without any review of their deportability. They included 1,198 aggravated felons, 80 of whom were soon re-arrested for new crimes.
    http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

    When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons
    >> Education.

    While these massive budget deficits cannot be attributed to any single source, the enormous impact of large-scale illegal immigration cannot be ignored. The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states nearly $12 billion annually, and when the children born here to illegal aliens are added, the costs more than double to $28.6 billion.

    .................

    In Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

    Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension contributions.
    Make Texas’ salaries for teachers more competitive by national standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new teachers needed each year.

    In California, the $7.7 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants—nearly 13% of the overall 2004–5 education budget—could: ........

    In New York, the $3.1 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: ..........

    In Illinois, the $2 billion spent annually educating the children of illegal immigrants could: .................

    ....................

    http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?nam...rticle&sid=469

    These are just a few areas of challenges we face with illegal immigrants.......PLEASE NOTE I am talking about ALL ILLEGAL Immigrants, not just from Mexico. But due our porous border, statistically a vast majority are from there. This is not racist, it is not discrimination. It is simply bringing those who want to be in our country and those who want to enjoy the opportunities our country provides accountable to our country and actually a legal part of supporting the systems and services that all Americans have an opportunity to take advantage of, I.E. health care, education, transportation, law enforcement, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Even if that were the case, how much more economic growth would there be if these illegal aliens were law abiding citizens, you know paid full share of taxes, paid to have a motor vehicle license, paid motor vehicle insurance, etc.
    Possibly less, because they would then need higher salaries to pay for all of those stuff. Cheap labour also fuels economic growth. Also, arnt all these taxes actually a drain on growth.

    Anyway, thats just a theoretical statement. Hasn't this aspect been settled already as part of the immigrations debate in USA? What do the pundits say?

    Surur
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Even if that were the case, how much more economic growth would there be if these illegal aliens were law abiding citizens, you know paid full share of taxes, paid to have a motor vehicle license, paid motor vehicle insurance, etc.
    People who earn 2 dollars a day dont pay any of those things.
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