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  1. #161  
    As you said, in UK we know exactly who is gouging us, and its not the oil companies. In UK we have whats called the fuel price escalator, which is meant to raise the price of fuel by 3% above the rate of inflation every year. This is based on the socialist ethic that private car ownership is bad. However due to public protest this escalator has been halted for the last 3 years, despite government threats every year to resume it. This has meant that the main driver for fuel prices have not increased, and that therefore the price of fuel has not increased substantially over the last 5 years e.g.


    UK 2001 $5.55 2006 $6.28 13% increase
    vs
    USA 2001 $1.75 2006 $2.95 2006 68% increase


    UK

    USA


    Due to high taxes, which are fundamentally controlled by the government and not the scarcity of the resource, UK drivers are already prepared for high fuel prices with smaller, fuel efficient cars, and the government have the flexibility to manage prices much better, due to their very high influence in setting the price.

    Further in UK local government are actively trying to price people out of their cars e.g. in London they have the congestion charge, which started as 5 ($8.50) toll per trip into central London with your own car. This has increased to 8 ($14) per trip into the London. The socialist mayor who introduced it, called Red Ken, actually managed to win the next mayoral election after doing this, which I find personally amazing, but which confirms to me that the population shares the same anti-car egalitarian ethic here (everyone takes the tube ).

    Surur
    Last edited by surur; 04/28/2006 at 05:57 PM.
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    #162  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    As you said, in UK we know exactly who is gouging us, and its not the oil companies. In UK we have whats called the fuel escalator, which is meant to raise the price of fuel by 3% above the rate of inflation every year. This is based on the socialist ethic that private car ownership is bad. However due to public protest this escalator has been halted for the last 3 years, despite government threats every year to resume it. This has meant that the main driver for fuel prices have not increased, and that therefore the price of fuel has not increased substantially over the last 5 years e.g.


    UK 2001 $5.55 2006 $6.28 13% increase
    vs
    USA 2001 $1.75 2006 $2.95 2006 68% increase

    Due to high taxes, which are fundamentally controlled by the government and not the scarcity of the resource, UK drivers are already prepared for high fuel prices with smaller. fuel efficient cars, and the government have the flexibility manage prices much better, due to there very high influence in setting the price.

    Surur
    GOD BLESS the USA and $3.00 a gallon vs our friends who pay sixfity a gallon
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  3. #163  
    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    My god thats disgusting.
    Why?

    By the way, don't respond to this.
  4. #164  
    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    My god thats disgusting.

    And your God is...?
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
  5. #165  
    Quote Originally Posted by geatches
    And your God is...?
    That seems to be blaze's only response to me lately.
  6. #166  
    Quote Originally Posted by geatches
    And your God is...?
    Is there a pre approved one for the board. Sorry I'm new here. Maybe you can tell me what he says next time he talks to you?
  7. #167  
    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    Is there a pre approved one for the board. Sorry I'm new here. Maybe you can tell me what he says next time he talks to you?
    I talk to Him everyday and I told Him about you. He's watching.
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
  8. #168  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    As I've said before, gimmee two addresses and I'll give you alternatives. How about a car pool? And all I'm talking about is ONCE a week.
    Just cause I am curious....

    3355 McDaniel Rd, Duluth, GA
    to
    373 Buford Hwy SE, Suwanee, GA

    Now I have to be to work either at 5 pm or 3 pm and get off work at either 3 am or 1 am...and work 4 days a week...10 hours each day.

    I am not allowed to leave work while there so must bring meals and water for 10 hours.

    I must wear a uniform that has to meet requirements of being neat and clean...

    This might be fun to try!
  9. #169  
    Quote Originally Posted by geatches
    I talk to Him everyday and I told Him about you. He's watching.
    Talking directly to the creator of the Universe is called being religious. Hearing God's voice in your head is something else.
  10. #170  
    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    Talking directly to the creator of the Universe is called being religious. Hearing God's voice in your head is something else.
    I hear him at Walmart. He tells me to buy cheap electronics and take away women's reproductive rights. Oops, wrong thread.
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
  11. #171  
    Quote Originally Posted by geatches
    I hear him at Walmart. He tells me to buy cheap electronics and take away women's reproductive rights. Oops, wrong thread.
    Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!

    Brilliant!
    Trust me, I'm a producer.
  12. #172  
    Quote Originally Posted by George W Bush
    "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
    George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by George W Bush
    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
    Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
  13. #173  
    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign


    Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
    God blessed W, he's the president. What is it that you do again?
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
  14.    #174  
    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign


    Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
    And this has to with the gas crisis how?????
  15. #175  
    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign
    I'm sorry, I missed it. Maybe you could point to the part where Bush "heard God's voice in his head".

    How silly of me... of course you won't.
  16. #176  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    I'm sorry, I missed it. Maybe you could point to the part where Bush "heard God's voice in his head".

    How silly of me... of course you won't.
    I dont remember saying the President heard voices in his head. I am sure he could get the messages from god by carrier pigeon, or a burning bush, or yahoo messenger.

    Hobbes, it was a response to geatches off topic jab at my personal religous beliefs. I don't see how it's related either.
  17. #177  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    I don't think the protestors will be so much the NIMBY group as those who claim the coal mining destroys the environment, the emissions are still too high, and there will be some NIMBY because they do not need the revenue generated by the low paying, dangerous coal mines.
    Dangerous, absolutely. But coal mining is actually a well-compensated industry (at least relative to many others).
    http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs004.htm#earnings
  18. #178  
    I was watching the sunday talk shows today, and something finally dawned on me: all this talk about profit margins is absolute garbage. The profit margin of a company doesn't mean anything. That is a function of the market and the goods it sells. Newspapers, for instance, have HUGE profit margins. Likewise for software companies. That doesn't mean that they are bad firms (and since oil company figures are lower, that doesn't mean they are good either).

    The big question is return on capital. If a given industry has a higher return on capital and yet is not attracting investment, that would appear on the face of it to smack of collusion and market protection. In our system, capital finds its home in the best place, as measured by profitability per unit of capital. If the oil industry has astronomical returns on capital, more capital will be put to use, increasing production and lowering prices.

    I haven't done an exhaustive study, but I did hear that over 20 years the returns in the energy industry are around the average for U.S. businesses (I don't know if they are above, below or equal to).

    So there you have it. When the politicians complain about absolute profit (X billions of dollars a quarter), that is a useless number as I'm sure we can all agree (afterall, if a company is large, then shouldn't its income be large?). But when the industry retorts "but our profit margin is below average" that is equally useless.

    Unfortunately the persuasive power of this explanation is nothing compared to sound bites that each side throws out as I'm sure we'll see when someone replies to this in three, two, one...
  19. #179  
    Sorry, I missed the explanation. Can you put it in layman's terms?

    Surur
  20. #180  
    Someone's getting sensitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    Hobbes, it was a response to geatches off topic jab at my personal religous beliefs. I don't see how it's related either.
    and I posted...

    Quote Originally Posted by geatches
    And your God is...?
    and...

    Quote Originally Posted by geatches
    I talk to Him everyday and I told Him about you. He's watching.
    Can you tell me where the jab was? Quit being a sissy.
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
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