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    Army suicide rate last year highest since 1999

    Army suicide rate last year highest since 1999
    Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:51 PM ET

    By Will Dunham

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of soldiers who took their own lives while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan rose in 2005 over the previous year, as the U.S. Army experienced its highest suicide rate since 1999, officials said on Friday.

    The Army released statistics showing that 12.9 per 100,000 U.S. soldiers committed suicide in 2005, up from 11.0 per 100,000 in 2004. The 2005 suicide rate was the highest for the Army since 13.1 per 100,000 in 1999.

    The Army is the largest service in the U.S. military and provides most of the troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Pentagon also released data showing the suicide rate in 2005 dropped from the previous year in both the Marine Corps and the Navy. Air Force data was unavailable.

    Army officials discounted the notion that the increase was caused by mounting combat stress on deployed soldiers as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan grind on. Officials said the Army rate remained lower than the rates for U.S. civilians.

    Last year, 83 Army soldiers on active duty committed suicide, 25 while deployed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the Army said. In 2004, 67 soldiers on active duty committed suicide, 14 while deployed for those wars, the Army said.

    "We're not alarmed," said Col. Joseph Curtin, a senior Army spokesman at the Pentagon.

    Curtin noted that last year's total for suicides in Iraq and Afghanistan was identical to the number who killed themselves while serving in the two wars in 2003. A total of 76 U.S. soldiers committed suicide in 2003, including 25 deployed in those wars.......
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    What's your point?
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
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    Blaze, may I offer a suggestion?

    The Admins/Mods don't really like when you post an entire article, and will usually snip the posts if they come across them. There are copyright infringements involved. (yeah yeah, I know...)

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    Maybe just post key points of the article, along with the link. Not trying to detract you from participating, just be aware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Blaze, may I offer a suggestion?

    The Admins/Mods don't really like when you post an entire article, and will usually snip the posts if they come across them. There are copyright infringements involved. (yeah yeah, I know...)



    Not trying to detract you from participating, just be aware.
    Ok, i will edit it now. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlaze74
    Ok, i will edit it now. Thanks.
    What's your point?
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
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    I think the point of theblaze spasm, is he is trying to say Bush actually killed those suicidal soldiers....

    Chuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by chckhbrt
    I think the point of theblaze spasm, is he is trying to say Bush actually killed those suicidal soldiers....

    Chuck
    Him and that darn Cheney.
    Freedom of some speech in the US, through someone in the UK.
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    Here's a fact Blaze is not likely to respond to:

    2003 National Institute for Mental Health reports suicide among adults aged 20-24 is 12.8 per 100,000 "with seven times as many deaths among men as among women."

    Additionally, "among the highest rates (when categorized by gender and race) were white men age 85 and older: 59 deaths per 100,000 persons, more than five times the national U.S. rate of 10.6 per 100,000."

    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/harmsway.cfm

    I guess that's Bush's fault too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    Here's a fact Blaze is not likely to respond to:

    2003 National Institute for Mental Health reports suicide among adults aged 20-24 is 12.8 per 100,000 "with seven times as many deaths among men as among women."

    Additionally, "among the highest rates (when categorized by gender and race) were white men age 85 and older: 59 deaths per 100,000 persons, more than five times the national U.S. rate of 10.6 per 100,000."

    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/harmsway.cfm

    I guess that's Bush's fault too.
    Got any recent figures on suicide rate of males in the agegroup the same as soldiers?
    That would be a good tool to get some perspective indeed.

    Fact that the suicide rate goes up is not a good sign.. what that sign means is up to interpretation..

    What I do know is that in the dutch mission to yugoslavia there was a higher suicide rate, basically because the soldiers were between a rock and a hard place since they were given no autority to take action and hence felt really frustrated when they saw wat was going on out there..
    Maybe a similar patern is happening in Iraq too where the soldiers get so frustrated they take their own life as a way out.. who knows..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    the swaggering President Galtieri -- Argentina's illegitimate leader -- pranced about no more after his disastrous contrived Falklands war.

    after many brave soldiers lost too many lives, Argentina finally rejected their junta, and regained some semblance of democracy...

    (did anyone know that more British Falkland veterans have died since the war through suicide, than from combat ??? )

    "264 [falkland] veterans have now taken their own lives (2002), a number that contrasts with the 255 who died on active service"

    (BTW-- I believe that the Britsh did the proper thing in the Falklands)


    probably this hasn't been read by anyone here, but as an aside I mentioned (quoted above) that more Britsh veterans of the Falklands war killed themselves in suicide [265+] during the years subsequent to their combat than died in the war itself [255].

    (By way of contextual background for those who have never heard of that conflict -- it was quick, but troublesome battle fought for principle -- one where well trained English warriors fought against bady trained and abysmally lead Argentines on a place where the Argentines didn't belong, on land no human was meant to occupy...

    The Brits were brilliantly trained professional soldiers who fought a noble and successful war that ended with the overthrow of a strutting poser of a President, and the return of democracy to Argentina.)

    If even men like that, in a war as briief and honorable as theirs was suffer as they clearly have -- ehat fate awaits veterans of junior's "Iraqi Freedom" ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Got any recent figures on suicide rate of males in the agegroup the same as soldiers?
    That would be a good tool to get some perspective indeed.

    Fact that the suicide rate goes up is not a good sign.. what that sign means is up to interpretation..

    What I do know is that in the dutch mission to yugoslavia there was a higher suicide rate, basically because the soldiers were between a rock and a hard place since they were given no autority to take action and hence felt really frustrated when they saw wat was going on out there..
    Maybe a similar patern is happening in Iraq too where the soldiers get so frustrated they take their own life as a way out.. who knows..
    I don't have "by age" figures for Army suicides. That's why I posted the rates for the age range of 20-24 (assuming that the majority of sodliers are in or near these ages). If that assumption is correct, then it seems that there is very little difference between suicide rates in the Army and those in the general public. I find that actually pretty heartening considering the hardships and familial disconnectedness inherent in military service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE

    The Brits were brilliantly trained professional soldiers who fought a noble and successful war
    Funny you call it that way, I'd bet a lot of people out here thought it was a pointless pissing contest over a stupid piece of rock...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    the swaggering President Galtieri -- Argentina's illegitimate leader -- pranced about no more after his disastrous contrived Falklands war.

    after many brave soldiers lost too many lives, Argentina finally rejected their junta, and regained some semblance of democracy...

    (did anyone know that more British Falkland veterans have died since the war through suicide, than from combat ??? )

    "264 [falkland] veterans have now taken their own lives (2002), a number that contrasts with the 255 who died on active service"

    (BTW-- I believe that the Britsh did the proper thing in the Falklands)


    probably this hasn't been read by anyone, but I mentioned in another thread (quoted above) that more Britsh veterans of the Falklands war killed themselves in suicide [265+] during the years subsequent to their combat, than died in the war itself [255].

    (By way of contextual background for those who have never heard of that conflict -- it was quick, but troublesome battle fought for principle -- one where well trained English warriors fought against bady trained and abysmally lead Argentines on a place where the Argentines didn't belong, on land no human was meant to occupy...

    The Brits were brilliantly trained professional soldiers who fought a noble and successful war that ended with the overthrow of a strutting poser of a President, and the return of democracy to Argentina.)

    If even men like that, in a war as brief and honorable as theirs was, suffer as they clearly have -- what fate awaits veterans of junior's "Iraqi Freedom" war ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    If even men like that, in a war as briief and honorable as theirs was suffer as they clearly have -- ehat fate awaits veterans of junior's "Iraqi Freedom" ???
    Especially when they're constantly hearing that they're fighting an illegal war. That they're fighting for oil or American hegemony.

    With any luck, the good works they see out there will outweigh the eventual revisionism they will hear over here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    I don't have "by age" figures for Army suicides. That's why I posted the rates for the age range of 20-24 (assuming that the majority of sodliers are in or near these ages). If that assumption is correct, then it seems that there is very little difference between suicide rates in the Army and those in the general public. I find that actually pretty heartening considering the hardships and familial disconnectedness inherent in military service.
    I know what you are trying to say and found it a very good angle on this discussion.. just wanted to take the assumtion away..

    Given your assumtion is true (seems reasonable in this case) then it is and interesting angle, given the tough situation the guys are in there you'd image the suicide rate to be higher.. but on the other hand soldiers have been brainwashed eeh trained to cope with these situation (NOFI to people in the armed forces, but coping with such circomstances isnt very normal hence the term brainwashing)
    Also I imagine (or should I say: hope) the soldiers get better mental support than civilians..

    The fact that the suicide rate is going up is a worry though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    Especially when they're constantly hearing that they're fighting an illegal war. That they're fighting for oil or American hegemony.

    With any luck, the good works they see out there will outweigh the eventual revisionism they will hear over here.
    It's vietnam all over again isnt it?
    hopefully the vets get treated better this time since it is not their fault what happened out there, the politicians pull the strings.. not the soldiers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I know what you are trying to say and found it a very good angle on this discussion.. just wanted to take the assumtion away..

    Given your assumtion is true (seems reasonable in this case) then it is and interesting angle, given the tough situation the guys are in there you'd image the suicide rate to be higher.. but on the other hand soldiers have been brainwashed eeh trained to cope with these situation (NOFI to people in the armed forces, but coping with such circomstances isnt very normal hence the term brainwashing)
    Also I imagine (or should I say: hope) the soldiers get better mental support than civilians..

    The fact that the suicide rate is going up is a worry though..
    On the rates "going up", I don't see it as a particular concern when we're basically talking about an increase of 0.003%.

    Regarding military getting special mental health services and training, I agree that this could be the factor that offsets the suicide rate in such a high stress situation. And it makes me wonder if the general public can't benefit somehow from this type of training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    It's vietnam all over again isnt it?
    hopefully the vets get treated better this time since it is not their fault what happened out there, the politicians pull the strings.. not the soldiers..
    I hope so. But I don't like the direction things are going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    On the rates "going up", I don't see it as a particular concern when we're basically talking about an increase of 0.003%.
    Depends on the angle you look at it.. a jump from 11 to 13 suicides is a significant jump...
    But regardless of how you calculate it, any rise is a bad thing..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    I hope so. But I don't like the direction things are going.
    Mmm I wouldnt neccecarily see that a a bad attitude against vets, more against the recruiting tactics of the army..
    The part in fahrenheit 911 (which is way biased off course) seemed to be an fairly honest representation of how the army recruits. (it made a lot of sense to me, if I was recruiting for the army I would have thought of doing it that way too)
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