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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    The VP "gunned someone down?

    See how easy it is to sensationalize a story.
    Did he fire his weapon? Did the person fall down?

    I use such a phrase just because of the humor of the situation. I find it hilarious (because the man is okay).
  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    I think precautions are made by the simple fact they are in an open field and buckshot loads in a shotgun are only efficient at short ranges. I think if an alligator or a Frumunda Beetle was walking around the open field, they wouldn't shoot.
    It sounds like you are sidestepping around the issue I brought up...

    To me the mayority of the fault should lie with the person who pulls the trigger.
    It is their action that can avoid accidents like this.
    In the article I only saw the blame being put on the victim..

    That doesnt sound right to me.. sure he is partly at fault, but the mayority should lie with the shooter IMHO..
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  3.    #63  
    How was I sidestepping when you were asking about endangered species?

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    It sounds like you are sidestepping around the issue I brought up...

    To me the mayority of the fault should lie with the person who pulls the trigger.
    It is their action that can avoid accidents like this.
    In the article I only saw the blame being put on the victim..

    That doesnt sound right to me.. sure he is partly at fault, but the mayority should lie with the shooter IMHO..
  4.    #64  
    Agreed, there is humor with the situation. The biggest mistake that is going on right now is Cheney is in hiding avoiding the questions. The sooner he comes out of the basement, the sooner the story dies.

    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    Did he fire his weapon? Did the person fall down?

    I use such a phrase just because of the humor of the situation. I find it hilarious (because the man is okay).
  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by hoovs
    I can't believe this. A man was shot and the news media is outraged because they weren't informed first.
    This is what annoys me. The news media are freaking out, because they weren't notified immediately. Everything is about them. What a bunch of self-centered losers.
  6. #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Agreed, there is humor with the situation. The biggest mistake that is going on right now is Cheney is in hiding avoiding the questions. The sooner he comes out of the basement, the sooner the story dies.
    A man with his heart needs a while to catch his breath..
  7. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeReaction
    This is what annoys me. The news media are freaking out, because they weren't notified immediately. Everything is about them. What a bunch of self-centered losers.
    Man, you hit that one on the head. Why do the media have to be spoon fed their news, as if it's an entitlement? What ever happened to going out and getting the scoop? You think Clark Kent limped around some overstuffed press room waiting for mea culpas from press secretaries?
  8. #68  
    Quote Originally Posted by AdvanceTheMan
    I think precautions are made by the simple fact they are in an open field and buckshot loads in a shotgun are only efficient at short ranges.
    Even better - it would have been birdshot, not buckshot from his 28 gauge shotgun.

    It sounds like at the range he was at he could have done almost as much damage with a paintball gun.
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  9.    #69  
    Not so fast! Hunter Shot by Cheney Has Heart Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by phurth
    Even better - it would have been birdshot, not buckshot from his 28 gauge shotgun.

    It sounds like at the range he was at he could have done almost as much damage with a paintball gun.
  10. #71  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Now that's funny!
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    #72  
    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Don't mess with the GOP!
    Even the old ones can whoop up on some liberal a$$

    J/K That is funny
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  12. #73  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    How was I sidestepping when you were asking about endangered species?
    Are we playing pointless wordgames now or do you really want to know?

    If the lather: I brought up the point of responsibility of the shooter. And you start talking about how unlikely it is to shoot a hiker/protected species..
    My examples are purely hypothetical so the likelyness of it happening is fairly irrelevant.
    The point is that if you carry a potential lethal weapon you should be responsible for what happens with it. Same with driving a car.. that can be a potential lethal weapon too and the driver should be responsible for its actions too.
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  13. #74  
    Am I the only one who thinks the SSN wasn't adequately blacked out?
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    I'll give a hypothetical as well. What happened with Cheney is much like a person walking on the side of a highway and right before a car passes them, they jump in front of the car. They get hit b/c the driver could not avoid them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Are we playing pointless wordgames now or do you really want to know?

    If the lather: I brought up the point of responsibility of the shooter. And you start talking about how unlikely it is to shoot a hiker/protected species..
    My examples are purely hypothetical so the likelyness of it happening is fairly irrelevant.
    The point is that if you carry a potential lethal weapon you should be responsible for what happens with it. Same with driving a car.. that can be a potential lethal weapon too and the driver should be responsible for its actions too.
  15. #76  
    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    I'll give a hypothetical as well. What happened with Cheney is much like a person walking on the side of a highway and right before a car passes them, they jump in front of the car. They get hit b/c the driver could not avoid them.
    First of all the highway code says you should be able to stop in time for hazards.
    But off course it all depends on the circomstances.. and off course the pedestrian is at fault too.

    Difference with a gun is that he aims and pulls the trigger..

    In your example it is like the driver changes into the lane the pedestrian was walking in..
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  16.    #77  
    No, no, no. Cheney is aiming at a bird and the human walked in the path of the gun. The hypothetical human jumps in the path of a car that is going say 45 mph, they can't move out of the way. You lack hunting etiquette and you have a liberal mind. The two combined have you saying (to me) ridiculous statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    First of all the highway code says you should be able to stop in time for hazards.
    But off course it all depends on the circomstances.. and off course the pedestrian is at fault too.

    Difference with a gun is that he aims and pulls the trigger..

    In your example it is like the driver changes into the lane the pedestrian was walking in..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    First of all the highway code says you should be able to stop in time for hazards.
    But off course it all depends on the circomstances.. and off course the pedestrian is at fault too.

    Difference with a gun is that he aims and pulls the trigger..

    In your example it is like the driver changes into the lane the pedestrian was walking in..
    TK, remember this happens at real time, not slow motion.
    The hunter sees a bird (not endangered or out of season) raises his weapon and follows the flight path, pulls the trigger, weapon discharges (maybe a couple of seconds total time). The other party walks out of the huting line and into the path the hunting line is firing, both are at fault. Is the train engineer at fault if a person is walking down a train track at night in dark clothes and is hit?
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  18. #79  
    I agree they are both at fault.. never denied that.. my point is that in the articles they only focus on the victim being at fault.. that just didnt sound right to me..

    I think the train/car analogy doesnt quite work here..
    Lets use another one: golf..
    In golf ettiquete the person who lies furthest from the hole always plays the ball, the other players stay behind him.
    If a player break that rule, the golfer should still pay attention before he shoots. But like hunting (I presume) when he is in mid swing it is virtually imposible to stop the shot..

    With hunting I wonder how hard it is not to pull the trigger while you are tracking your target..

    I'm not an expert on this matter nor do I pretend to be, but common sense tells me that the shooter should watch what he is shooting before he pull the trigger..
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  19. #80  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    I think you also missed his point..

    Killing a cow for eating is a totally different thing than shooting a bird for 'sport'.

    Slaughtering a cow is designed to have a 99+% succesrate..
    My point is that the end result of either action is meat. Scumptious, delicious, nutritious meat.
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