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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE
    I "enjoyed" my last burger 33 years ago. Been a vegetarian since my 18th birthday.
    How's that been working out? I could not imagine a life without a nice filet marinated in "Stubb's Beef Marinade'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    You conservatives always run on what ifs. That is sickening!
    What if I morphed into a cute little kitty cat? That would be sickening!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE
    Besides, I "enjoyed" my last burger 33 years ago. Been a vegetarian since my 18th birthday.
    Hehehe, I figured something similar was going to be your response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    Just a couple of points:

    Based on what I'm reading and hearing today, Cheney did not "ask" the owner of the hunting lodge to notify the press. She told Cheney she was going to, and he said OK. There was no effort by the White House or the Veep to notify anyone (other than the sherrif).

    Some people seem to be trying to say it's not Cheney's fault at all, because the other hunter walked into Cheney's line of fire. While that's true, it's a long standing principle of hunting, taught in every hunting safety class I've ever seen and every NRA course in weapons handling, the the shooter is responsible, always, for determining what is in his line of fire, both in front of and behind his target. So while the shooting victim should have probably announced himself, Cheney should have been more aware of what he was doing.

    Finally, on a more serious note, Cheney's a criminal, too. He failed to purchase the proper fowl hunting stamp. He got off with only a warning. (Think you or I would have only gotten a warning?)
    I think you probably would get a warning if this was your first incident and you had a proper license, but failed to get an additional fowl stamp. I have seen it happen with fishing, and hunting. Now, if you are a repeat offender, or wrong stamp and over your limit, out of season, outside of size limits etc, expect a ticket. If you are poaching, and you intended to poach, expect ticket and confiscation of items used.
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    the thing I dont understand is why is it the victims fault since he didnt announce himself..
    Yes that wasnt smart, but IMHO the one pulling the trigger has the final responsibility.. what if there was a lost hiker walking on the field..
    Before you squeeze the trigger you should be sure you have a clear shot..
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    tk, doesn't sound like you hunt! You are shooting at a moving object that you are focused on. The guy who was shot broke the golden rule of hunting, it was his fault. Regarding the hypothetical of a hiker lost on 25,000 acres of private land with gun shots heard for at least a couple of miles, that would be the hikers fault as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    the thing I dont understand is why is it the victims fault since he didnt announce himself..
    Yes that wasnt smart, but IMHO the one pulling the trigger has the final responsibility.. what if there was a lost hiker walking on the field..
    Before you squeeze the trigger you should be sure you have a clear shot..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    tk, doesn't sound like you hunt! You are shooting at a moving object that you are focused on. The guy who was shot broke the golden rule of hunting, it was his fault. Regarding the hypothetical of a hiker lost on 25,000 acres of private land with gun shots heard for at least a couple of miles, that would be the hikers fault as well.
    Indeed I dont hunt, my family does though.. but I've never joined them so far..

    As for the hiker, here in the UK there are a million right of way tracks for hikers on private land so the scenario isnt very unlikely..
    As a matter of fact last weekend we walked past a field where they were hunting pheasants and I could hear the buckshot pellets bounce off the trees where we were walking..

    And if not for hikers, what about protected species/ species that are out of season?
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    #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    the thing I dont understand is why is it the victims fault since he didnt announce himself..
    Yes that wasnt smart, but IMHO the one pulling the trigger has the final responsibility.. what if there was a lost hiker walking on the field..
    Before you squeeze the trigger you should be sure you have a clear shot..
    Both are at fault. But why international attention? Slow news day/week?
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    Toolkit, I know you are a mod and all, but !

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    And if not for hikers, what about protected species/ species that are out of season?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Both are at fault. But why international attention? Slow news day/week?
    Not really (olympics, the us saying they want to "destabilize" Palestine), but it isn't every day the VP guns down someone else (not since Aaron Burr, if I may guess...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    I don't think anyone calls slaughtering cows a "sport." If want sport, try hunting wild turkey.
    Not surprisingly, you missed my point.

    The birds, even on a ranch, have a much greater chance of surviving than that cow making that last walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    How's that been working out? I could not imagine a life without a nice filet marinated in "Stubb's Beef Marinade'.
    I missed having a "whopper" in the first few years but never really enjoyed steaks, roast beast and the like....never went for those "processed meats"...bologna, franks, olive loaf and the stuff they were afraid to call it what it was so they called it "luncheon meat" .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    Toolkit, I know you are a mod and all, but !
    What are you trying to say?
    It is ok to shoot protected species or species that out of hunting season as long as it is done by accident?
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    What endangered species are you warning of? Are spotted owls release in an open field, devoid of trees along with the quail?

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    What are you trying to say?
    It is ok to shoot protected species or species that out of hunting season as long as it is done by accident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Not surprisingly, you missed my point.

    The birds, even on a ranch, have a much greater chance of surviving than that cow making that last walk.
    I think you also missed his point..

    Killing a cow for eating is a totally different thing than shooting a bird for 'sport'.

    Slaughtering a cow is designed to have a 99+% succesrate..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    What endangered species are you warning of? Are spotted owls release in an open field, devoid of trees along with the quail?
    Any one of them, it is a theoretical danger.. though the chance may be small that shouldnt change the responsibility.
    Like hitting a kid with your car, chances are pretty small in many locations still it is the fault of the driver, not the kid who did not announce itself..
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    #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    Not really (olympics, the us saying they want to "destabilize" Palestine), but it isn't every day the VP guns down someone else (not since Aaron Burr, if I may guess...).
    The VP "gunned someone down?

    See how easy it is to sensationalize a story.
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    I think precautions are made by the simple fact they are in an open field and buckshot loads in a shotgun are only efficient at short ranges. I think if an alligator or a Frumunda Beetle was walking around the open field, they wouldn't shoot.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Any one of them, it is a theoretical danger.. though the chance may be small that shouldnt change the responsibility.
    Like hitting a kid with your car, chances are pretty small in many locations still it is the fault of the driver, not the kid who did not announce itself..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advance The Man
    I think precautions are made by the simple fact they are in an open field and buckshot loads in a shotgun are only efficient at short ranges. I think if an alligator or a Frumunda Beetle was walking around the open field, they wouldn't shoot.
    And besides, lawyers are not on the endangered list
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    What if I morphed into a cute little kitty cat? That would be sickening!
    Yes it is!
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