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    The money quote from the piece, "We're getting our reports from hotel rooms in Baghdad." I guess it is so much easier to stay in the air conditioned green zone, listening to the echoes of terrorist violence, than get out and actually see what is going on. Bloggers like Michael Yon and Bill Roggio are where the action is, in the finest tradition of Ernie Pyle. Yet the mainstream pretty boys and bubble heads just can' be bothered.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/laney...t-laney28.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    The money quote from the piece, "We're getting our reports from hotel rooms in Baghdad." I guess it is so much easier to stay in the air conditioned green zone, listening to the echoes of terrorist violence, than get out and actually see what is going on. Bloggers like Michael Yon and Bill Roggio are where the action is, in the finest tradition of Ernie Pyle. Yet the mainstream pretty boys and bubble heads just can' be bothered.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/laney...t-laney28.html
    "Sixty-seven journalists and media assistants have been killed since the March 2003 invasion."
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    "Sixty-seven journalists and media assistants have been killed since the March 2003 invasion."
    Do you think that Al Jazerra stringers should count? And are you denying that most of the reporting we see today comes from the Green Zone in downtown Baghdad?

    When was the last time a western reporter was injured? I can remember Michael Kelly (Geez, I miss his articles) being drowned in a canal and the NBC guy dying from a blood clot that lodged in his heart.
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    A coworker of mine has a friend who lives in Bagdad (civilian working for a US company there) and the stories from him make me reall happy I am nowhere near that place..
    Even being in the green zone means risking your life..

    Don't judge the journalists if you are not willing to do it yourself..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    A coworker of mine has a friend who lives in Bagdad (civilian working for a US company there) and the stories from him make me reall happy I am nowhere near that place..
    Even being in the green zone means risking your life..

    Don't judge the journalists if you are not willing to do it yourself..
    I am willing and therefore I am judging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    I am willing and therefore I am judging.
    I don't believe reporting on a school opening will explain the situation in Iraq. If that puts a warm fuzzy in your heart then by all means, you stick with that.

    The situation is far more compplex than this and the question seems to be coming down to are the American people willing to keep hundreds of thousands of our people in Iraq for the 5+ years it will take for this power vacumn the ne0-cons created to settle out, or step back and let it settle out by the Iraqi people's own means.

    I say the latter, and apologize for the intrusion.
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    If not schools opening, then how about markets? A never before seen free press? People voting? The enemy being ROCKED to his core? Or should we just keep talking about our casualties and how divided the Beltway elite are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    The money quote from the piece, "We're getting our reports from hotel rooms in Baghdad." I guess it is so much easier to stay in the air conditioned green zone, listening to the echoes of terrorist violence, than get out and actually see what is going on. Bloggers like Michael Yon and Bill Roggio are where the action is, in the finest tradition of Ernie Pyle. Yet the mainstream pretty boys and bubble heads just can' be bothered.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/laney...t-laney28.html
    Arguably this does skew the reporting if they aren't getting out there and seeing it with their own eyes...but on the other hand, I can't blame them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    If not schools opening, then how about markets? A never before seen free press? People voting? The enemy being ROCKED to his core? Or should we just keep talking about our casualties and how divided the Beltway elite are?
    The division that worries me is in Iraq, not D.C. Does this administration need to be called on lying to the Congress, the U.N., the U.S. Troops, and the American people? Yes. Does this administration need to be called on poorly executing the occupation of Iraq? Yes.

    But right now, they need to lead us out of Iraq as efficiently as possible. The troops accomplished their mission. Now it's time to withdraw.
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    Again with the lying charge. Tell me, you dream of a Democratic/Socialist majority in the house in 06, don't you? Just to push the impeachment angle.

    The Iraqi military isn't ready, and the government is like a new born fawn. Now is not the time to withdraw.

    There will probably be a drawn down in the spring...just like Condi said there would be in last July. I think we'll be keeping 50K or so Americans in Iraq for a long, long time. Just to keep the Syrians and Iranians honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    Again with the lying charge. Tell me, you dream of a Democratic/Socialist majority in the house in 06, don't you? Just to push the impeachment angle.
    An entire House of Bernie Sanders? Hell Yea!

    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    The Iraqi military isn't ready, and the government is like a new born fawn. Now is not the time to withdraw.
    Get ready. "new born fawn"? Bwahahahahahahah!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 1911sforever
    There will probably be a drawn down in the spring...just like Condi said there would be in last July. I think we'll be keeping 50K or so Americans in Iraq for a long, long time. Just to keep the Syrians and Iranians honest.
    Yea, just to keep the Syrians and Iranians honest. Yea, that's the reason. (I seem to recall a senior level administrator testifying this entire process would take something like 6 months).

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