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    I am trying to understand why some muslim wear burqas. I am trying to be sensitive to other religious beliefs, but I just don't get the whole burqa thing. Burqas seem to be an easy way for men to keep power and control over women. It makes me feel sad for those women.
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    While the Koran ( and the Bible) do say that women should dress modestly, the extreme dress code seen in much of the Muslim world is really a relic of tribal custom. Many of the laws and customs the West seems to deplore are not necessarily Muslim as much as tribal and cultural. In that context, women are seen as property, rather than independent human beings.
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    and...quite frankfly, some women are better left covered up anyways.
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    And some men are better with their mouth full of food...It keeps them from talking...

    Or in this case, some men are better with a beer in each hand. Keeps them from typing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indicator
    Or in this case, some men are better with a beer in each hand. Keeps them from typing...
    That's funny.
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    We want women naked; they want women covered. Two extremes of the same evil.
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    What's the difference between burqa and chador?
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    in the united states women cover their chests/breasts, while men can go barechested/no shirt. in muslim cultures women cover their faces, while men go face-cover-less. to borrow from some comedian, its the same religious cultural bias/BS, just different levels.

    why do women have to cover their breasts in public in america? don't they get hot too? I say its discrimination. Its all based on religious taboos.

    something to ponder.

    I was reading another forum where they showed a pretty graphic scientific video where a cat was locked in a cage with a bunch of starved rats and the rats eventually overpowered the cat, killed it and ate it. everybody complained how cruel it was for the cat to be eaten by the rats. makes you wonder how people would have responded if our culture had rats for domestic pets and cats were disliked. Don't rats have a right to eat too? its been along time since science/biology/zoology, but aren't rats mammals just like cats? warm blooded? nurse their young? what makes them disliked?

    cultural bias, I think.
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    Precisely the reasoning that was used in so called "Top free" laws that were enacted a few years back. I believe its New York where topless in any public setting is legal for women and one of the large Canadian cities ..Toronto maybe. Correct me if I am wrong. Of course in practice not that many folks choose to practice the freedom but it is legal. That doesn't include all of the settings where it may techically be illegal but the law is not inforced, various beaches, the french quarter etc.

    It really is a cultural bias thing agreed. Less an issue of reliegon than of culture. What my wife wore to church on sunday would have shocked someone on the street a hundred years ago. Cultures change and so does what is supposed to be covered or not covered.
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    Just a footnote in history....In our culture (it may have been more accurate to say it was a class thing) it was scandalous for a women to wear clothes in public that exposed her ankles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Just a footnote in history....In our culture (it may have been more accurate to say it was a class thing) it was scandalous for a women to wear clothes in public that exposed her ankles.
    And they wore buttoned up shirts and long sleefs.. appart from the headscarf and facemask not too different from burka's..

    The way it was told me it was to prevent temptation and preserve modesty.
    Only husband and wife should see each other naked in their (and other) culture.

    In our few it is a bit old fashioned/backwards but we life in a different culture..
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    Some of the Amish dresses look like burkas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skillllllz
    We want women naked; they want women covered. Two extremes of the same evil.
    We men ask women to cover themselves in hopes that it will hide our own selfish desires concerning them. We ask them to uncover in hopes of exercising our own selfish desires concerning them. When we learn to deal with our selfish desires, the extent of their coverage will be inconsequential.

    In the meantime, women everywhere should be mindful of this tendency when deciding what to wear. For, they will be addressed according to the way they are dressed.

    "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." Genesis 2:25..."And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons." Genesis 3:7
    Naked the whole time. What brought about the shame? Hmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by heberman
    I am trying to understand why some muslim wear burqas. I am trying to be sensitive to other religious beliefs, but I just don't get the whole burqa thing. Burqas seem to be an easy way for men to keep power and control over women. It makes me feel sad for those women.
    What prompts your sadness? Is it the burqa? Or, is it the power and control issues?

    At the Playboy properties, men assert the same power and control by having women wear hardly any clothing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    And they wore buttoned up shirts and long sleefs.. appart from the headscarf and facemask not too different from burka's..
    It's the fasemask that I have the most problem with. It seems to take away all individuality and expression from the woman wearing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    What prompts your sadness? Is it the burqa? Or, is it the power and control issues?
    Power and control issues, definitely. It seems like they are being suppressed into nothingness.

    At the Playboy properties, men assert the same power and control by having women wear hardly any clothing at all.
    It seems like the Playboy women have more of an opportunity to make their own choices on whether to be there or not. I could be wrong in a few circumstances, but I would be the majority of those girls/women feel empowered by their choice to be there at Playboy (or wherever) - and the burqa women feel disempowered and disenfranchised. An example: the Playboy women go for lunch in their sports car, and the burqua women have no driver's licenses.
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    Power and control issues, definitely. It seems like they are being suppressed into nothingness

    It "seems" like that because we are from a different culture.
    It "seems" like these women are upset and feel like they are being "supressed"


    I would be willing to bet that the majority of the burka wearing women are perfectly happy wearing that dress and would feel uncomfortable and ashamed NOT wearing that mode of dress.

    Our opinions of foriegn cultures dont mean squat, because we are not of that culture!

    Would american women go topless/barechested in an enviroment where it was culturally accepted/the "norm" to do so? I bet 99% wouldn't or would feel extremely uncomfortable doing so. Im not taking about the extreme case of playboy bunnies on a vacation to a foriegn topless beach, Im taking about 99% of american women- your daughter, your wife, your mother, your grandmother.

    I hope foriegn culture is not forced upon us and by the same token we should not force our culture on others.
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    They would as the culture gravitates toward it. Again look at today's dress for both women and men as compared to 1905. More and more beaches in North America are less clothed, miami beach as an example. There are also a lot more nude beaches and like settings as well. The thong itself is a step towards nudity, and I don't know about you but almost any beach I go to know has at least a few of those present. Its kind of an interesting subject. At lot of folks in my generation and certainly younger have no issues taking a hot tub in the buff with close friends.

    In 1939 a man would not even think about going taking a trip on a train without a tie on, at the very least a sports jacket. We have become very informal for better and for worse.

    One comment you can make about western culture is that a woman has the choice to push the envelope with regard to modesty without having her life and limb threatened in general. In other cultures that sort of choice would be a deathwish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by car_designer
    It "seems" like that because we are from a different culture.
    It "seems" like these women are upset and feel like they are being "supressed"


    I would be willing to bet that the majority of the burka wearing women are perfectly happy wearing that dress and would feel uncomfortable and ashamed NOT wearing that mode of dress.

    Our opinions of foriegn cultures dont mean squat, because we are not of that culture!
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    I hope foriegn culture is not forced upon us and by the same token we should not force our culture on others.
    You can't be serious! Yeah, you're right. A women shouldn't have a say in anything that goes on politically, right? They shouldn't be able to go shopping without the consent of their husbands. Women's rights groups should be banned. Women shouldn't be able to legally drive or use public facilities when men are present. Women should enter city buses by separate rear entrances and sit in specially designated sections. That's because they should be treated like a man's property, right car_designer?

    Women shold be arrested by the Mutawwa’in (religious police) for riding in a vehicle driven by a male who is not an employee or close male relative. Besides, they are probably happy with all of these great laws to keep them in line.

    Also, women shouldn't be admitted to a hospital for medical treatment without the consent of a male relative. I mean, they should be happy with the oppressive culture forced upon them by old tribal practices right? Wrong. Sheesh!

    Sorry, but it's ok to point out cultural practices which are stupid, oppressive, violate basic human dignity. We can point out things which are just plain wrong.

    Hey Claire, get out of your Jeep and put that dang burqa back on!!
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    You can't be serious! Yeah, you're right. A women shouldn't have a say in anything that goes on politically, right? They shouldn't be able to go shopping without the consent of their husbands. Women's rights groups should be banned. Women shouldn't be able to legally drive or use public facilities when men are present. Women should enter city buses by separate rear entrances and sit in specially designated sections. That's because they should be treated like a man's property, right car_designer?
    Where did I say these things? please quotes your references. I have no idea what you are talking about. I was talking about cultural reference and you are spouting womens rights. My discussion has absolutely nothing to do about womens rights.

    You are NOT_GETTING_THE_POINT!

    The point is that you are exactly right about all your points IN_OUR_CULTURE!

    In the "oppressive" culture that we are talking about, there are no negative connotations about all of your points. The negativity comes from outsiders like us. Give those burka wearing women a survey. Ask them if they feel that they are being oppressed. My guess is that they are perfectly happy, and think that they are living fully fufilling lives, because of their cultural point of reference!

    Can you even see the possibility that people from different cultures (like burka wearing women) might have a view of customs and traditions different of people from different cultures, like us?




    Women shold be arrested by the Mutawwa’in (religious police) for riding in a vehicle driven by a male who is not an employee or close male relative. Besides, they are probably happy with all of these great laws to keep them in line.
    I would bet that if you surveyed the burka wearing women, they probably are happy with the laws and culture that they live in and they are accostomed to.
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