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    OK. It's official. Cingular is buying AT&T Wireless. But, what will that mean to the Treo users for both companies? Better coverage?.... Better customer service?.... More or less investment in future network capability?.... How about better data plans for ATT? and what about my mobile to mobile minutes?....

    It's time to weigh in. In addition to what we THINK will happen, how about what we would like to happen? (Just in case Cingular/ATT reads these boards and gives a flip.)

    Enjoy!

    Mac
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    AT&T Wireless has the TREO 600 on its web pages.

    For every zipcode I've tried (10001, 20001, 90001, and "San Francisco, CA") Cingular has NOT had the TREO 600 for sale for a long time.
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    I think that there will be some confusion with the merger but when the dust settles there will be increased coverage and capability. I think the CS might actually improve after folks are migrated etc.
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    all i know is that i'm glad that i pre-ordered a non t-mobile gsm version. now i 'll be able to switch from t-mobile gsm to attular (whatever new name will be).

    i knew gsm was the way to go.

    i've been debating which way to go as i have service with sprintpcs and t-mobile.

    gsm gives you way more options just as this merger shows.

    now i can't wait to get my treo 600. could march come any sooner.

    p.s. i would like to thank my big brother mohammed for buying me a treo 600.
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    Original Message-----
    From: Employee Communications
    Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:57 AM
    To: Cng-All Cingular
    Subject: Cingular To Acquire AT&T Wireless, Create Nation's Premier
    Carrier






    CNG-All Cingular
    Cingular To Acquire AT&T Wireless, Create Nation's Premier Carrier

    $41 billion deal to create number one wireless carrier, bring greater
    network coverage, improved service quality, new advanced data services
    to customers

    OLE_LINK1OLE_LINK2Cingular Wireless announced today an agreement to
    acquire AT&T Wireless, creating the premier wireless carrier in the
    United States. Today, the combined company would have 46 million
    customers and one of the most advanced digital networks in the U.S.,
    with spectrum in 49 states and coverage in 97 of the top 100 markets.
    The combined 2003 annual revenues of the two companies would have
    exceeded $32 billion.

    Under the terms of the agreement approved by the boards of directors of
    Cingular and AT&T Wireless, shareholders of AT&T Wireless will receive
    $15 cash per common share or approximately $41 billion. The acquisition,
    which is subject to the approvals of AT&T Wireless shareholders and
    federal regulatory authorities, and to other customary closing
    conditions, is expected to be completed as soon as late 2004.

    "This is great news for America's wireless users," said Stan Sigman,
    president and CEO of Cingular Wireless. "By combining the strengths of
    these two companies we expect to accelerate the availability of advanced
    wireless services for consumers. This combination is expected to create
    customer benefits and growth prospects neither company could have
    achieved on its own and will mean better coverage, improved reliability,
    enhanced call quality and a wide array of new and innovative services
    for consumers."

    "Today's announcement is a triple win for AT&T Wireless shareowners,
    customers and employees," said John D. Zeglis, AT&T Wireless Chairman
    and CEO. "For shareholders, the transaction provides a handsome return
    on investment. For customers, this means all the advantages only the
    nation's largest wireless company can provide. For employees who become
    part of the combined company, this means more opportunities than they
    otherwise would have had with AT&T Wireless as a standalone company."

    Sigman continued: "Wireless communications is one of the most
    significant growth drivers in the telecommunications industry, and with
    the acquisition of AT&T Wireless, we believe no other company will be
    better positioned than Cingular to grow with the market's continued
    expansion. The new company will have a strong foundation to begin
    rolling out exciting new services and data applications that enrich the
    end-user experience."

    Bigger Network, Better Coverage

    Customers of the new company will have access to the largest GSM network
    in the United States. GSM is the world's most widely used wireless
    technology with nearly one billion customers in more than 200 nations.
    Because both companies use the same technology, the network integration
    will bring customers almost immediate improvement in coverage and call
    quality. Cingular customers also will have the widest choice of handsets
    and devices in the industry.

    Because of improved spectrum holdings, the new company should be able to
    accelerate its offering of advanced wireless data services and pave the
    way for high-speed third generation services in the future. This is
    important because consumers and businesses are increasingly relying on
    wireless internet and e-mail access. Cingular and AT&T Wireless have
    been leaders in rolling out high-speed wireless data offerings,
    including GPRS (General Packet Radio Services), EDGE (Enhanced Data
    rates for GSM Evolution) and trialing next generation UMTS (Universal
    Mobile Telecommunications System).

    In addition, the new combined company will be well positioned to deliver
    unmatched services for business customers, including high-speed wireless
    connectivity for PCs and wireless e-mail devices - such as BlackBerry(r)
    -- for mobile executives.

    Improved Operating Efficiencies

    Cingular expects to achieve significant operating synergies through this
    acquisition by consolidating networks, distribution, billing,
    procurement, marketing, advertising and other functions. The company
    expects to generate more than $1 billion in operating expense and
    capital expenditure savings in 2006, and in excess of $2 billion in
    annual savings beginning in 2007.

    Wireless Leadership

    "Cingular has a solid track record of successfully integrating
    companies," said Sigman. "Three years ago, we created Cingular by
    combining two of the strongest regional wireless companies in the United
    States. We also created one of the best-known and most recognizable
    brands in America. Now, we have the opportunity to use our combined
    resources to provide wireless users with services that are
    second-to-none."

    The boards of Cingular and AT&T Wireless have approved the merger
    agreement. SBC Communications and BellSouth have committed funding to
    Cingular for the all cash deal. Funding requirements for SBC will be
    approximately $25 billion and for BellSouth, approximately $16 billion.

    SBC's and BellSouth's proportionate equity stake in Cingular will remain
    unchanged following the transaction, with SBC holding 60 percent and
    BellSouth 40 percent of the equity. Management control will remain
    50-50.

    Keeping employees informed

    "While the companies have come to an agreement, the deal must pass
    through several regulatory approvals and the approval of AT&T
    shareholders before it is consummated," said Sigman. "We expect this to
    take several months."

    Once the acquisition is closed, the combined company will begin the
    process of merging operations.

    "It is still very early in the process," said Sigman, "and there are
    many decisions still to be made. Our commitment to employees is to keep
    you informed throughout the process.

    "Until then, it is business as usual," he said. "We must continue to
    provide inspirational customer service and exceed their expectations at
    every touchpoint, so that we can continue the momentum behind building
    our reputation."

    Watch for more information on the deal in Cingular Voice, on the
    My-Cingular employee portal, and on other regular forms of
    communication.




    (c) 2004 Cingular Wireless LLC
    Copying, distribution or publication without express written permission
    is prohibited.
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    Run for your lives! Crapular is coming!

    lol
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    Originally posted by franknitty69
    all i know is that i'm glad that i pre-ordered a non t-mobile gsm version. now i 'll be able to switch from t-mobile gsm to...
    Any unlocked GSM phone will work. T-Mobile does carry unlocked GSM phones. AT&T Wireless' Treo 600, interestingly enough, are locked...
    (And, BTW, I was hoping that Vodafone will buy AT&T Wireless.)
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    Originally posted by SeldomVisitor
    AT&T Wireless has the TREO 600 on its web pages.

    For every zipcode I've tried (10001, 20001, 90001, and "San Francisco, CA") Cingular has NOT had the TREO 600 for sale for a long time.
    I just got my Treo 600 from Cingular on Feb 13th. If you're browsing the Cingular webpage, click on "business solutions" and then devices. The Treo along with Blackberry devices are listed.
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    My natural paranoia makes me think that Cingular might be less likely to offer good terms to T-Mo as far as reselling their bandwidth goes.

    For those who don't know, T-Mo does not own any of the towers out here in California and basically relies on Cingular to provide coverage. Seems to me that Cingular might just screw T-Mo over and us T-Mo customers might be the ones who ultimately get the shaft.

    As it stands right now, I get better rates both for voice and data and I'm using Cingular's network. How long will it be before Cingular decides T-Mo needs to be cut out of the business and I start paying Cingular rates?
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    > ...If you're browsing the Cingular webpage, click on "business
    > solutions" and then devices. The Treo along with Blackberry
    > devices are listed...

    Nope, that's not a sale web page, that's strictly an info web page - T-Mobile has had roughly the same for months though they, too, do not have the TREO 600 for sale.

    Something is unusual about Cingular's lack of TREO 600 for SALE - they used to have it on their site in the normal places - it is no longer there.
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    I have read lots of post that Cingular coverage in some markets like Chicago or New York isnt that good. I have had my own concerns about AT&T coverage area. Cingular has a much bigger footprint, while AT&T has good concentration in major metropolitan areas. I think coverage will likely improve. I hadn't thought about the impact on our t-mo friends.

    I think customer service is a big question mark. While AT&T has been slammed for poor CS recently, I had even bigger problems with Cingular before returning to AT&T. Whos CS model will the combined company use? I dont care, just do it right!

    Both CEOs, as you will see from the earlier lengthy post from our friendly neighborhood insider ;-) are talking tech advances, but is that just spin? (What else are they going to say, We just sank a boat load of money into this acquisition, so were not going to have any funds for network improvements for a long, long time.)

    Hey, Im am optimist at heart. I think we could be looking at some nice things ahead. The merger isnt expected to go into effect until late 2004. Hopefully, they will use that wisely.

    Just some random thoughts! -Mac
    "I Sync, therefore I AM!"

    BellSouth became Cingular, left for ATT, who became Cingular, who became ATT. Is that right?
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    Hey, AT&T/Cingular heads!! I want my $175 back!! I paid $175 to leave crappy AT&T last month to move over to Cingular and now you're bed buddies.
    AT&T Wireless sucked so I left!! 2,370,000 ATTWS customers left in Q1 (2004) and I'm proud to be one of them!
    AirTouch Cellular => L.A. Cellular => AT&T Wireless => Cingular Wireless
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    for the next year it means NOTHING! it will be 6-9 months before it get the thumbs up and then much time before "integration" it will ALL be cingular soon but not TOOOOOO soon. best thing to do if you are on another server (me=sprint) is hang tight for a min., rates on comp's will come down before rates on ATT/CINGULAR wil.
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    Originally posted by SeldomVisitor
    > ...If you're browsing the Cingular webpage, click on "business
    > solutions" and then devices. The Treo along with Blackberry
    > devices are listed...

    Nope, that's not a sale web page, that's strictly an info web page - T-Mobile has had roughly the same for months though they, too, do not have the TREO 600 for sale.

    Something is unusual about Cingular's lack of TREO 600 for SALE - they used to have it on their site in the normal places - it is no longer there.
    Yup, you are right. It's not a sale page. I guess I got lucky, because I called my local store and they just rec'd them. They weren't even in the inventory yet. I put a hold on one, and only had to wait about 2 days.
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    One thing I think this merger does is change the dynamics of GSM vs CDMA here in the US. Now with such a large provider that has a huge # of GSM customers, if they do a good job of "pushing" - "this is the same technology as most of the rest of the world and you can take your phone overseas and make a call" that will sway many people's choice. Even though few(% wise) people really need that, or take advantage of that, it will be a selling point. In some ways CDMA is a better option for many people, but they won't do the research to understand the differences.

    One positive, is there are greater numbers/varieties of phones (units) produced for the GSM market.
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    Neither AT&T or Cingluar are all GSM. AT&T just started going GSM about a year ago, I believe they still have a very large portion of their network as CDMA. As for cingular... AHAHAHAHAH

    If you want to know how good cingulars coverage and integration will be look at Tmobiles Cali/Nevada coverage. That is an integrated market (all tmo towers are really cingular) and there is at least 2 majore outages a week there. Cingulars Voicemail system is unstable at best, Their network and tower are very unreliable and their CS sux.

    Then again Tmobile isn't all that much better in some areas. BTW New York is a Tmo/Cingular area as well. If cingular buys any more companies I can see them being spit up like Bell... oh wait, they are bell
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    Originally posted by att_sux
    Hey, AT&T/Cingular heads!! I want my $175 back!! I paid $175 to leave crappy AT&T last month to move over to Cingular and now you're bed buddies.
    You paid $175 to leave? Ouch. What did you do with the phone? AT&T lock theirs.
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    Originally posted by McTreo
    OK. It's official. Cingular is buying AT&T Wireless. But, what will that mean to the Treo users for both companies? Better coverage?.... Better customer service?.... More or less investment in future network capability?.... How about better data plans for ATT? and what about my mobile to mobile minutes?....

    It's time to weigh in. In addition to what we THINK will happen, how about what we would like to happen? (Just in case Cingular/ATT reads these boards and gives a flip.)

    Enjoy!

    Mac
    What I want to know is when will I be able to use a cingular phone and use ATT Towers or with an ATT phone, use Cingular Towers.

    The only other issue for me is when will Cingular have a SMTP server so I can send email from the Treo using the Cingular network.

    ATT has a SMTP server...
  19. #19  
    Originally posted by McTreo
    OK. It's official. Cingular is buying AT&T Wireless. But, what will that mean...
    it means im ditching sprint lol
    Treo 300, Treo 600 - Sprint

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  20. #20  
    Originally posted by SprintTreo600


    it means im ditching sprint lol
    And why would that be? Don't see why the merger would give a Sprint customer a compelling reason to switch, especially when you can't use your existing Sprint treo on a GSM network.

    Dish the dirt on Sprint. I'm interested in knowing.
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