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    help! help!

    i own a treo 90. i do not have (nor have i ever yet had) a mobile phone (NO LAUGHING, PLEASE!!!). i have been waiting - with sweaty-palmed anticipation - for the release of the treo 600 as the perfect, perfect consolidated remedy to my PDA dependency AND phonelessness.

    but now, i am in a state of wild-eyed confusion. you see, i am trying to decide whether to purchase the Sprint (CDMA) phone now, or wait for the GSM/GPRS version release, while not truly having ANY IDEA WHAT THOSE ACRONYMS MEAN. *sniffle*

    i did try sifting through the other threads in this forum to try to supplement what i was able to glean from the technical specs on Handspring's website, but i am still fairly clueless...perhaps more so?!?

    can someone perhaps clear up for me what the fundamental differences are between these two, give me some subjective pros and cons from personal experience? (esp. as regards phone territory coverage and web surfing/data transfer?)

    i'd be pathetically grateful. TRULY.
    Last edited by twiningivythree; 10/14/2003 at 01:38 PM.
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    On a very simplistic level -- which is the only level I really understand about the whole thing:

    The advantage of Sprint is that they have somewhat better phone coverage and signigicantly better (and faster) data coverage -- so viewing webpages, fetching email etc. is easier.

    The advantage of GSM (TMobile, etc) is that the phone will work overseas. So if, for instance, you're in Europe frequently and would like to keep your number, this might be a good option.

    Having said that, the rates charged overseas are substantially higher than what they'd be if you purchased/rented a phone over there. Or (3rd option) had an UNlocked GSM phone -- which aren't being sold yet.

    To further cloud the issue -- I'm with Sprint and, though I love my T300 (600 on the way!) outside of the city my coverage is far inferior to my wife's -- who has Verizon. But there won't be Treo for Verizon for quite some time, if ever...
    Last edited by DelMelo; 10/11/2003 at 11:34 AM.
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    However, isn't the Treo 600 dual band on Sprint? So, if you pay the little bit extra ($5/mo) for Free and Clear you should be able to roam up to 50% of your contract time on Verizon which would give you the best coverage in the country - even in rural areas.

    Isn't that correct?
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    Okay, I didn't realize this. That would be great. Now I have to check just which plan I actually have...
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    I am not sure the Sprint data services are that much better or faster than T-mobile (but probably depends on your location).

    I have a Sprint Treo 600 (on trial for 2 weeks) and a T-mobile pocket pc phone. I have been doing some time comparisions browsing the web. Sometimes Sprint is slightly faster and sometimes T-mobile is slightly faster. I tried this in the Chicago suburban area and the also on I-55 driving from Chicago to Springfield. There doesn't seem to be that much difference in real situations. But there were times when the t-mobile as actually faster than sprint and I never had a place where I could not get good voice or data coverage on t-mo.
    Bottom-line, I didn't see much difference in the speed.

    So now I am leaning towards picking up an unlocked GSM phone as soon as they are available. If I am still within my 2 week return period with Sprint I will do a side-by-side on 2 Treo 600s.

    T-mobile/GSM has some other advantages like:
    - data and voice are separate. On sprint if you are browsing the web and you get a call it goes straight into voice mail. On t-mo you get an option to answer the call.
    - the gsm treo has longer battery life
    - the gsm treo has 2-way SMS right now (but sprint says this is coming soon)
    - the gsm is slightly lighter and no bulge (which is no big deal)

    I haven't made up my mind and will continue to do some more comparisions.

    Just on the Treo itself: I agree with others it is the best phone/pda to date! I have used the pocket pc phone, samsung i300 and kyocera 6035. The treo 600 is a quantum leap better.
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    ...thanks for all the input so far, y'all!

    now - what is this talk of "unlocked" GSM phones? what exactly does that mean...?
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    Unlocked means that they are not tied to a specific carrier and preloaded with the carrier specific network software. You can take a SIM card from whatever GSM carrier and put it in the unlocked treo and call away!
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    I thinkm sprint coverage absolutely sucks. Hands down the worse coverage I've ever had.

    Not to mention that Sprints Prices for cell programs are LIGHT years beyons T-mobile

    (Sprint=2500 anytime minutes, unlimited web, and phone ins=$140.00 per month

    (Tmobile-3000 anytime minutes, unlimited web, $72.00 per month)

    A Huge savings
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    I'm reading the current issue of IEEE Spectrum magazine: KDDI's CDMA2000 1x is winning big over DoCoMo's FOMA (WCDMA). CDMA2000 has got 9,156,000 subscribers in July 2003 while WCDMA has only 658,700. WCDMA started two years before CDMA2000 arrived in Japan. CDMA is getting very popular in China too.

    So, I think SprintPCS (father of CDMA and CDMA2000) will be the winner. There is a website about these technologies and why CDMA has the adavantege. But I lost the link. Basically, CDMA seemed firstly too compicated to be commercialised. But Qualcomm (who owns the patent and license) commercialised it successfully and addressed the battery life issue. More and more people are seeing the advantedges of CDMA(2000), including Nokia who's now making CDMA phones. But Nokia still has a long way to catch up with the Qualcomm chips used in every CDMA phones on reception and battery life.
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    Is the T600 dual band? The 300 wasn't.
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    okay - one final question (i think!!!)

    so...it sounds like a GSM/GPRS unit can be used with a variety of different GSM network providers - it just involves swapping the respective SIM cards in and out after arranging service with said providers. (did i get that right?!?)

    now, i have seen mentioned in the forum that purchasing a GSM T600 with a service plan from either TMobile or Cingular will mean that the unit will be "locked" to their service/network. is this for a designated period of time, or is it, like...eternal?!?

    b/c i am starting to leeeeean toward the GSM/GPRS version of the T600, and as i do not currently have a mobile phone (so obviously, no carrier), i will have to purchase service simultaneously. i just want to be certain that if i activate or go with service from TMo or Cingular, etc., I will EVENTUALLY be able to utilize the unit in an "unlocked" capacity, which is one of the major draws of GSM, for me - its flexibility/range of availability.

    (oh, this is probably a really daft question - if so, please be merciful with the flaming! lol)

    thanks so much for all the input so far, y'all - this has been more helpful than you know!!!
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    T600 is dual-band DIGITAL (I think). It does not have an analog band.
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    hmmm. i thought that the Sprint (CDMA) version was dual-band digital, and that the GSM/GPRS version that is yet to come out is quad-band...(analog?!? digital?!??) i do not know. how does the digital vs. analog fit into the CDMA vs. GSM/GPRS situation, exactly...?

    (and does it have relevance to the locked/unlocked question i posed directly above...?)
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    My problem with TMO (my "antique" Treo 180) is that outside major metropolitan areas, the service coverage is abysmal. And spotty. I can have no signal in one spot, move 20 yards, and get a nearly full signal. Calls will drop in mid sentence, and then seconds later the signal strength will be pegged. Very frustrating.

    I will be purchasing the GSM 600, and am thinking of moving to Cingular just to insure coverage. I travel the US (and Europe on occasion) for work, and it just seems that Cingular will allow the phone to be more useful when travelling.
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    Originally posted by wombat2
    T600 is dual-band DIGITAL (I think). It does not have an analog band.
    It is quad-band digital, 850/900/1800/1900, no analog. The 4 bands should cover about every country in the world for possible roaming.
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    Originally posted by RMitch


    It is quad-band digital, 850/900/1800/1900, no analog. The 4 bands should cover about every country in the world for possible roaming.
    Will that permit GPRS reception in Europe?
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    Originally posted by Brady99


    Will that permit GPRS reception in Europe?
    Yes, but some carriers may not let you do it. T-Mobile lets you roam on GPRS in Europe, for $.15/kb. I don't think ATT and Cingular offer international roaming on GPRS yet, but they probably will.
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    Speaking of cell companies, can anyone point me to a current map that shows the coverage areas of several providers? I've got a TMO 270 that I will likely be upgrading to a 600 and would like to go with a provider that has better coverage (Boulder/Denver, Colorado area).

    Regards,
    Mike
    Last edited by work2fish; 10/19/2003 at 11:03 PM.
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    Originally posted by BrianV
    Is the T600 dual band? The 300 wasn't.
    Yes, I was very superised when I saw my Treo 600 soaming to Verizon for the first time as my Treo 300 never did.
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    True SMS is an advantage on GSM, you can message around the world.

    Also, when leaving North America there are other options besides paying your own provider's roaming rates. You can buy (in some places) a SIM card just to use temporarily. In Turkey, for example, a copy of your passport and $20 gets you a SIM card and local phone nuumber (GPRS enabled). You puchase minutes (units, really) separately and only pay for what you use. Go home and throw it away (or save it for the next trip).

    One final point: in NYC I had my 180 with T-Mo and my wife had Sprint. When we traveled (ưnside the US) she would have to pay a heafty roaming fee if she made calls while her phone indicated roaming. I had unlimited domestic roaming included in my $30 plan. Call anytime!
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