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  1. #101  
    Hi all,

    There will be hidden costs to A T & T and the rest of us, should the deal go thru.

    Take care,

    Jay

    AT&T’s Full Cost for Getting T-Mobile

    By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN, March 21, 2011, 9:04 pm, Mark Dye/Newscast, via Associated Press

    AT&T's Full Cost for Getting T-Mobile - NYTimes.com

    Rene Obermann, left, chief executive of Deutsche Telekom, which has agreed to sell T-Mobile, and Randall Stephenson, chief executive of AT&T, which has agreed to buy the company.“We have never seen a deal with more regulatory risk be attempted in the U.S.”

    That was the initial assessment of AT&T’s $39 billion agreement to acquire T-Mobile, from Jonathan Chaplin, one of the most thoughtful telecommunications analysts on Wall Street.

    “It is unlikely that AT&T would attempt a deal that they knew would fail,” he said. “However, we can’t see how they would get this through without massive divestitures and concessions.”

    In Washington, though, the question is whether the deal should get through at all. And if it is approved, how much will AT&T ultimately have to give up?

    The deal is a classic duopoly case study: if AT&T and T-Mobile combined, it would set up a match-up like Coca-Cola vs. Pepsi, with AT&T pitted against Verizon. The other rivals become almost irrelevant. AT&T and Verizon would control roughly 80 percent of the national market. The next biggest is not that big at all: Sprint is just cracking double digits, at about 12 percent. After that is the bottom tier — MetroPCS, Leap and the like — all in single digits, though their numbers have been growing.

    Randall L. Stephenson, the chief executive of AT&T, would say this is the wrong way to look at the marketplace. For the last 24 hours, he has been telling anyone who will listen that the Justice Department should and will judge the transaction on a local market-by-market basis. He says on a local level, his company is often competing against at least five players — and in some cities, like Detroit and Miami, T-Mobile is not even in the top tier.

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    1 CommentTwitter Recommend Technically, Mr. Stephenson is correct. The government will evaluate the deal on a market-by-market basis, and he does have multiple “competitors” in each market.

    But let’s be honest for a moment: MetroPCS and Leap, his supposed competitors, do not offer like-for-like products that can replace AT&T’s offering. One of the reasons MetroPCS has been able to offer lower prices than AT&T is that it does not offer true national service. (It would dispute this assessment because it uses roaming agreements and other companies’ networks — namely Verizon’s and Sprint’s — to extend its reach.) The iPhone? Forget about it.

    When you think about innovation in the cellular industry — whether it be technology, price plans or service — it has not come from the third-tier companies; instead, the third-tier companies have played copycat to AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile. The big question is whether an AT&T-Verizon duopoly will create enough competition to further drive competition and keep prices low.

    “This is a significant horizontal consolidation by all the traditional measurements. This level of concentration, two-thirds of the time, has been rejected by the Department of Justice,” Reed E. Hundt, the former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, said on a segment with me on CNBC on Monday.

    Michael J. Copps, an F.C.C. commissioner, said last year that the amount of concentration in the cellular industry should be considered “a bright caution light for this commission as we go about the business of advancing competition and consumer well-being in the broadband age.”

    “We are going to need an extra dose of vigilance going forward and use whatever policy levers we have available to ensure good outcomes for American consumers,” he said.

    On that score, in the short term at least, the facts may be on AT&T’s side. A deal with T-Mobile should improve its service and coverage area, while allowing it to upgrade its systems with enough spectrum to keep up with the insatiable demand of consumers for more data and video over hand-held devices.

    Rick Kaplan, senior adviser to the F.C.C. chairman, Julius Genachowski, said on Monday that the industry was desperately in need of more spectrum. “The spectrum crunch is real,” he said. “We’re going to have to get more spectrum online for broadband.”

    AT&T hopes to leverage that sentiment by arguing that without the deal, the company will be hobbled to support its customers.

    The company is also playing the patriotic card by contending that the deal will “strengthen and expand critical infrastructure for our nation’s future” and will “help achieve the president’s goals for a high-speed, wirelessly connected America.”

    All of that may be true. And perhaps the government should approach deals in this context, but if so, it would be a complete shift in policy.

    So what will AT&T have to give up to get the thumbs up?

    That’s the $3 billion question — the amount of money it would have to pay T-Mobile’s parent, Deutsche Telekom, if the deal were blocked. That huge breakup fee should provide a powerful incentive to compromise.

    But then the question becomes what “remedy” the government could come up with to ensure competitiveness and innovation. AT&T would have to give up an awful lot of spectrum to ever create a true national competitor to it or Verizon. Lesser concessions could include commitments to make their networks open to competitors through roaming agreements and reseller agreements, allowing other carriers to sell service on At&T’s network under another brand. (That’s what Verizon had to do in 2008.)

    Whatever the outcome, it’s going to be long, drawn-out battle
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  2. #102  
    And, no sooner did I post that we should contact our congressional reps so that they can get involved with getting the FCC, FTC and DOJ involved, look at what I jusrt found on engadget:

    Senator asks DOJ and FCC to do their jobs, provide friction for AT&T / T-Mobile tie-up -- Engadget

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  3. #103  
    I think it's funny, even though AT&T bought them out, their shares went down
  4. #104  
    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    If AT&T has to give up spectrum or geographic coverage to competitors to maintain a level playing field and allow other carriers to sell service on AT&T's network then doesn't that decrease kind of service AT&T's existing customers get? As a current AT&T customer, I don't see how these government remedies improve my service.
    What competitor? T-Mobile was the competitor. CDMA doesn't count in this particular scenario.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  5. #105  
    Sprint should go both GSM and CDMA perhaps. The old AT&T did(although that was TDMA). But should this horrible merger go through, we have no true GSM competitor, NONE. Sprint can still capitalize on this.

    I saw the post about Sprint not being "worth it" to Verizon. I don't believe that honestly. You really believe Verizon wouldn't also jump at the chance to snap up another competitor?? They probably mean the FCC hassle isn't worth it, lol.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  6. #106  
    Want to Complain About AT&T and T-Mo? Here’s How: Tech News and Analysis «

    Want to Complain About AT&T and T-Mo? Here’s How

    According to an FCC spokeswoman, the agency has yet to open a docket on the proposed deal. However, any comments sent ahead of the opening of the docket to fccinfo@fcc.gov will be held until the docket is opened and then added to the record. The Free Press recommends calling the FCC at 1-888-CALL-FCC (main FCC line) or 1-202-418-1000, which is the FCC Chairman’s office line. Another route to the FCC is through the chairman’s email form located here.

    The Department of Justice’s AntiTrust division can be reached via the follow phone number 1-202-307-2040 or at the AskDOJ@usdoj.gov email. It offers a complete guide to filing a complaint on its web site. Members of Congress will also hold hearings on this deal, so writing your appropriate congressperson may also have an impact. To find your local representative, check here and for your Senator check here.
  7. #107  
    Prices will go up. Just look at the Canadian experience, with new competition and more than 4 providers our prices have dropped significantly from what they were with 3 providers.

    They won't go up right away, but they will creep up over the next few years.

    Things may be reversed, Americans asking why Cell Service is so cheap in Canada!

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    #108  
    Quote Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle View Post
    Also,
    I'm pretty sure they both can roam off each other's towers.
    They do, in fact.
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  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by RafRol View Post
    They do, in fact.
    Yes it's true, although roaming on T-Mo is designed to be transparent to AT&T customers. While roaming on T-Mo, their carrier indicator still shows ATT.

    Try a manual network search. You'll discover that two ATT networks show up. If you manually choose the one that happens to represent T-Mo's network, you'll lose your 3G connection. Your device will switch over to Edge (2G). That will change as the two network infrastructures are merged. Depending on location, T-Mo's current network will get either 850 or 1900 band capability added to their towers for 3G. At the same time, T-Mo's current 3G 1700 (AWS) band will be reallocated for LTE use.

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  10. #110  
    Sorry but this merger cannot be allowed to go through. Anyone using GSM in the US will have no choice of carrier and that is simply a disaster.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  11. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by aharmsworth View Post
    Prices will go up. Just look at the Canadian experience, with new competition and more than 4 providers our prices have dropped significantly from what they were with 3 providers.

    They won't go up right away, but they will creep up over the next few years.

    Things may be reversed, Americans asking why Cell Service is so cheap in Canada!

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    wonder if we'll start seeing 3 year contracts too.
  12. #112  
    Anyone still want AT&T to buy T-Mobile? T-Mobile fudges on "4G" but actually does deliver advertised speeds from what customers have said!! The BBB and many complaints all over had to get AT&T to stop lying.

    AT&T Crippling Upstream Speeds On '4G' Phones - Motorola Atrix And HTC Inspire Have HSUPA Capabilities Snipped | DSLReports.com, ISP Information

    AT&T to Uncripple Atrix, Inspire '4G' Upstream Capabilities - April Software Patch Will Deliver HSUPA Functionality | DSLReports.com, ISP Information
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  13. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    Anyone still want AT&T to buy T-Mobile? T-Mobile fudges on "4G" but actually does deliver advertised speeds from what customers have said!! The BBB and many complaints all over had to get AT&T to stop lying.

    AT&T Crippling Upstream Speeds On '4G' Phones - Motorola Atrix And HTC Inspire Have HSUPA Capabilities Snipped | DSLReports.com, ISP Information

    AT&T to Uncripple Atrix, Inspire '4G' Upstream Capabilities - April Software Patch Will Deliver HSUPA Functionality | DSLReports.com, ISP Information
    Dear Diva,

    I agree with you 100%...however if Congress and the FCC will listen is another story!

    Thank you for your usual very astute comments!

    take care of yourself,

    Jay
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  14. #114  
    Hi all,

    This isn't a surprise at all...but it will be interesting to see how it plays out....

    Take care,

    Jay

    Sprint Blasts AT&T's Bid to Buy T-Mobile USA
    By REUTERS, March 28, 2011, Reporting by Jasmin Melvin; Additional reporting by Diane Bartz; Editing by Richard Chang

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sprint Nextel urged regulators to block AT&T Inc's $39 billion bid to buy Deutsche Telekom AG's T-Mobile USA, saying the merger would harm consumers.

    "This transaction is fundamentally anti-competitive, and you can't fix that with merger conditions," Charles McKee, Sprint's vice president of government affairs, federal and state regulatory, told Reuters in a phone interview on Monday.

    Sprint, the No. 3 U.S. mobile carrier, already faces tough competition from industry leaders AT&T and Verizon Wireless, a venture of Verizon Communications and Vodafone Group Plc. Combined, AT&T and T-Mobile USA, the No. 4 U.S. operator, would leapfrog Verizon Wireless as the top carrier.

    The deal would concentrate 80 percent of U.S. wireless contract customers in just two companies -- AT&T/T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless.

    No. 2 U.S. mobile carrier AT&T, often criticized for dropped calls and slow connection speeds, said the merger would spur innovation and economic growth by improving quality and expanding service to 95 percent of the U.S. population.

    The U.S. Federal Communications Commission -- which aims to extend mobile broadband to virtually all Americans -- and Justice Department are expected to take at least a year to review the proposed merger, and impose significant conditions if they approve the deal.

    "The U.S. wireless market is intensely competitive with five or more competitors in 18 of the top 20 markets," AT&T said in a statement on Monday.

    The Justice Department typically takes a market-by-market look when assessing competitiveness in such mergers. But Sprint will push for a review on a national basis.

    "Customers want to use their phones wherever they go," McKee said, adding that Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint are the only nationwide carriers.

    Consumer and antitrust groups have also been critical of AT&T's proposed transaction.

    Consumers Union argued that smaller, regional carriers rely on AT&T and Verizon to give their customers services such as data roaming. "This requires smaller competitors to negotiate agreements with these two telecom giants," the group said.

    The public interest group Free Press called the merger "a train wreck" that would mean consumers would pay more.

    Still, Robert W. Baird on Monday raised AT&T to "outperform," saying it is confident the proposed merger will be approved.

    The brokerage also raised Leap Wireless International Inc and MetroPCS Communications Inc to "outperform" as the deal could spur Verizon or Sprint to pursue acquisitions of MetroPCS, Leap Wireless or US Cellular Corp.

    On the New York Stock Exchange, AT&T closed up 1.8 percent, Sprint rose 2.1 percent, and Verizon advanced 1.2 percent. Leap finished 2.2 percent higher on Nasdaq and MetroPCS rose 1.6 percent on the NYSE.
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  15. #115  
    Hi all,

    Here is a little updated info.

    Take care,

    jay

    AT&T, T-Mobile to File With FCC Around April 21

    By REUTERS, (Reporting by Diane Bartz; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/...gewanted=print

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - AT&T Inc and T-Mobile USA plan to file paperwork about their planned merger with the Federal Communications Commission next week.

    "We plan to file our public interest statement at the FCC around April 21," AT&T's Michael Balmoris said in an email on Thursday.

    AT&T's $39 billion bid to buy Deutsche Telekom AG's T-Mobile USA will also be reviewed by the Justice Department to ensure it does not violate antitrust law. The request for the Justice Department review was filed last Friday.

    The FCC will review the proposed deal to ensure it is in the public interest.

    The review process could easily take a year.

    The deal would concentrate 80 percent of U.S. wireless contract customers in just two companies -- AT&T/T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless, a joint venture of Verizon Communications and Vodafone Group Plc.

    AT&T, currently the No. 2 U.S. mobile carrier behind Verizon, has said the merger will spur innovation and economic growth by improving quality and expanding wireless service to 95 percent of Americans.
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  16. #116  
    There is a lot of speculation on the Interwebs that the deal will not go through.

    FCC Pledges Extensive Review Of AT&T/T-Mobile Deal, Chairman Hints At Lack Of Competition

    However, the FCC Chairman, Julie Genachowski has hinted albeit indirectly that he believes the state of the wireless market in the US would not be as “rosy” as AT&T suggests it would be post T-Mobile acquisition. Speaking to the Washington Post, Genachowski pointed to an FCC report from last May which indicated:

    “There appears to be increasing concentration in the mobile wireless market. One widely-used measure of industry concentration indicates that concentration has increased 32 percent since 2003 and 6.5 percent in 2008.”
    Touchscreens are a fad.
  17. #117  
    Hi all,

    Frankly I don't think it will go thru!

    If Canada is any guide to it..it will be a big mess that will raise rates, reduce selection of phones and cause longer less desirable contracts.

    V is already dropping 1 year contracts...which I think it did to
    make the SEC realize that it will get worse after an AT&T/T-M merger...

    (Let me see if I have this correct, keep in mind, I don't live in Canada, I am a transplanted NYC in FL, much as here in the states, Canada had 2 larger cell providers and 2 smaller ones...one of the large ones gobbled up a small one...since then rates have shot up and at least one provider, Rogers now want you to take a 3 year contract with a smartphone...3 years ago, we were using smoke signals..3 years is 2 years too long)!

    Take care,

    Jay
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  18. #118  
    Hi all,

    FYI! Please go to the supplied link for the full article.

    take care,

    Jay


    Sprint CEO Blasts AT&T/T-Mobile Mega-Deal
    By REUTERS, SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - April 15, 2011

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/...gewanted=print

    Sprint Nextel Corp CEO Dan Hesse attacked rival AT&T Inc's planned acquisition of T-Mobile USA on Friday, saying a tie-up between the two would hurt innovation and set the country's wireless industry back.

    The chief executive of the No. 3 U.S. mobile operator lashed out against the $39 billion deal, now undergoing regulatory scrutiny, echoing the comments of other Sprint executives.
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  19. #119  
    Hi all,

    FYI. The balance of this article can be found at the supplied link. BTW toward the end of the article is an interesting concept of phones that are made of or can more easily be recycled.
    Take care,

    Jay


    Sprint C.E.O. Continues Battle Against Wireless Merger
    By VERNE G. KOPYTOFF April 15, 2011, 8:30 pm

    Sprint C.E.O. Continues Battle Against Wireless Merger - NYTimes.com

    AT&T’s proposed $39 billion acquisition of T-Mobile USA threatens competition and innovation in the wireless industry, Dan Hesse, Sprint Nextel’s chief executive, said on Friday.

    “Innovation and customer choice would be seriously affected if the wireless industry is allowed to become a duopoly,” he said, referring to AT&T and Verizon, the two carriers that would dominate the mobile phone market if the deal is approved by federal regulators.

    Sprint started campaigning against the acquisition almost immediately after it was proposed last month. The deal would widen AT&T’s lead over Verizon Wireless and leave Sprint a distant third.
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  20. #120  
    Lol @ linking to the "print page" URL.
    Touchscreens are a fad.
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