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  1.    #1  
    I just purchased a Treo 650 and and am going to take a big hit by dropping my Verizon contract early. I don't mind as long as I am moving up the technology chain.

    The only concern I have is how Sprint's data speeds compare to Verizon's and for that matter, Cingular's since they are releasing a 650 very soon. The data speed I'm getting on Sprint seems slower than Verizon though I've been told they are very comparable at around 115 - 125.

    Does anyone know if this is true and is Cingular faster or slower? Data speed is an important part of the decision making process.
  2. #2  
    Sprint and Verizon both get around 90-100Kb/sec +/- 20K depending on location and distance from towers.

    Cingular's EDGE specifications are higher with real-world expected to be maybe 20K-40K+ higher but we won't know until testing. Latency is unknown too, which is another key.

    Price/performance ratio wise, Sprint wins at only $15/month unlimited.
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  3. #3  
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    The major difference right now is that Verizon has rolled out 1xEvDo in certain markets and it expanding while Sprint will supposedly roll out it's nationwide? 1xEvDo converage later this year. However this whole thing is moot b/c the Treo doesn't support 1xEvDo anyway!

    As far as Cingular, it's EDGE data transfer rates are supposedly comparable to 1xrtt. Theoretically EDGE is supposed to be faster than 1xrtt, but the real world performances put it at about comprable transfer rates...
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  4.    #4  
    Thanks guys.


    Thanks xenophonite for the

    "Price/performance ratio wise, Sprint wins at only $15/month unlimited."

    Excellent point!

    I can stop worrying about future buyer's remorse now.
  5. #5  
    Check out the daily speed results from dslreports...

    http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?results=1

    There are listings from the attwireless.net domain, which I'm guessing is EDGE. If the case, EDGE is no faster than Sprint/Verizon. Oddly, I don't see any Verizon domains listed.




    kbps Latency/Sz Domain User agent
    142 1.723s (200k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    139 1.268s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
    139 1.863s (200k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    139 1.472s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    135 1.149s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
    129 2.346s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320
    126 1.896s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320
    124 1.931s (200k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
    123 2.395s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    121 2s (200k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    121 1.474s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    121 2.095s (200k) mycingular.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    119 1.646s (200k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
    118 1.186s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
    116 1.636s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
    116 1.567s (200k) mycingular.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    115 1.959s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
    110 1.439s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
    110 1.8s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320
    107 2.032s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    102 1.544s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    99 1.9s (200k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
    96 2.104s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    96 2.099s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    96 2.103s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    95 2.096s (200k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    95 2.141s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    94 1.914s (100k) mycingular.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    92 1.628s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    90 2.231s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    88 2.234s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    86 2.057s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    82 2.085s (200k) mycingular.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
    81 2.195s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    81 1.964s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    81 1.917s (100k) spcsdns.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    80 2.949s (200k) attwireless.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)
    79 1.719s (200k) mycingular.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Maxthon; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
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  6. #6  
    This report updates every time someone tests their speed and submits a comparison result. I got 142kbps on my PPC6601, so at that time, my speed was the fastest. But I have no doubt that if someone was on EVDO they would have surpassed me by a great deal.

    There is no set rule that you will/or should get a certain kbps rate. It depends on field conditions, congestion, and many factors.
  7.    #7  
    My speeds have been all over the board but most are pretty disappointing.

    The following test results are from various times over the last two days.

    31kbit/sec
    32kbit/sec
    16kbit/sec
    91kbit/sec
    19kbit/sec
    14kbit/sec
    58kbit/sec
    85kbit/sec
    56kbit/sec
    73kbit/sec
  8. #8  
    how are people getting these speeds? Is this with DUN through a cable? I tried DUN (Verizon) through bluetooth and my speeds were only reported as about 6kbit/sec download.
  9. #9  
    Quote Originally Posted by chiefsalami
    how are people getting these speeds? Is this with DUN through a cable? I tried DUN (Verizon) through bluetooth and my speeds were only reported as about 6kbit/sec download.
    Downloads are measured in K BYTES, not bits. On Sprint, I get about 90-100KBits according to dslreports but file downloads, I get about 10-12KBytes/sec. Latency also impacts overall download speeds.


    BTW, I've been trialing Verizon EVDO and get a whopping 500-700KBits/sec and bursts even higher. Downloads are 50K-100KBytes/sec. Very impressive. Sprint will have 50 EVDO markets by June/July and apparently 50 markets per month after that.

    Cingular is in trouble when it comes to data. They are just getting EDGE out and the price/performance ratio is awful. I wonder who will win the price war? Sprint wins so far.
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    #10  
    Quote Originally Posted by xenophonite
    BTW, I've been trialing Verizon EVDO and get a whopping 500-700KBits/sec and bursts even higher. Downloads are 50K-100KBytes/sec. Very impressive. Sprint will have 50 EVDO markets by June/July and apparently 50 markets per month after that.

    I wonder who will win the price war? Sprint wins so far.
    What devices are out there that will take advantage of the EVDO? I've heard
    of an audiovox .. anybody have any experience with it? Will there be a Treo
    for EVDO soon? I'm wondering because I'm waiting until March 1 to bail on
    Verizon and take my 4 accounts over to Sprint so I can get the 650.
    Should I wait? (it always seems like something better on the horizon! )

    Thanks!
  11. #11  
    Quote Originally Posted by UroTreo
    What devices are out there that will take advantage of the EVDO? I've heard
    of an audiovox .. anybody have any experience with it? Will there be a Treo
    for EVDO soon? I'm wondering because I'm waiting until March 1 to bail on
    Verizon and take my 4 accounts over to Sprint so I can get the 650.
    Should I wait? (it always seems like something better on the horizon! )

    Thanks!
    The VZW AudioVox XV6600 is EVDO capable now and I typically get 300-500kbps in EVDO areas.

    Bob Duckworth
  12. #12  
    Audiovox Verizon XZ6600, and Sprint's PPC6600/6601 are EVDO capable. Not sure if T650 is capable of EVDO, but perhaps those that rigged their T650's to work on Verizon can tell you.

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