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  1.    #1  
    We just received the new Treo 600 GPS from Mapopolis. They can be purchased at http://www.dpcomputerstore.com/produ..._id=18-011-007

    Join our forum over at www.treo600world.com and get access to the Member's Only section where you will find a $20 off coupon valid through 12/14.

    Larry
    Last edited by lmelamed; 12/09/2003 at 12:42 PM.
  2. #2  
    Isn't this the same thing Mapopolis is selling direct from their website for $199? What's up with that?
  3.    #3  
    No, it's not the same. The one they sell for $199.99 is the one we have for $189.95 at http://www.dpcomputerstore.com/produ...dept_id=32-005 which is for the Treo 300 and some other of the previous models.

    They don't have the Treo 600 version on their website yet because they are filling committed reseller orders. They will post it for the MSRP of $249.99 shortly.

    The older models for $199.99 ($189.95 at our site) will not work with the Treo 600.

    Larry
  4. #4  
    Originally posted by lmelamed
    The older models for $199.99 ($189.95 at our site) will not work with the Treo 600.

    Larry
    That's not what I've been reading online. What I'd like to know is what are the differences. Does it support the 5-way buttons better? What is the justification for the higher price? Is this more than just a name change?
  5.    #5  
    I don't know the exact differences. I only know what the manufacturer tells us. They tell us the older version won't work with the Treo 300.

    It's a hardware issue. Has something to do with the the Treo 600 having the newer Arm processor as well as other hardware differences.

    We'd be happy to sell you the Treo 300 version but it cannot be returned if it doesn't work since Mapoplis is stating in advance it doesn't work with the Treo 600.

    Larry
  6. #6  
    Originally posted by lmelamed
    I don't know the exact differences. I only know what the manufacturer tells us. They tell us the older version won't work with the Treo 600.

    It's a hardware issue. Has something to do with the the Treo 600 having the newer Arm processor as well as other hardware differences.Larry
    I've been reading messages from several users who have gotten it to work with the Treo 600, though it didn't support the 5-way buttons. But, I would be interested in a version that specifically supports the 600. I just wish it wasn't priced more than all of the other models that Mapopolis supports. It still would be nice get some information from the manufacturer about what's different about it. It sounds like a great product.
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    Any idea if they will release a European version? Or can I use other software with the device?
  8. #8  
    Originally posted by lmelamed
    I don't know the exact differences. I only know what the manufacturer tells us. They tell us the older version won't work with the Treo 300.

    It's a hardware issue. Has something to do with the the Treo 600 having the newer Arm processor as well as other hardware differences.

    We'd be happy to sell you the Treo 300 version but it cannot be returned if it doesn't work since Mapoplis is stating in advance it doesn't work with the Treo 600.

    Larry
    Hmm...how about some research?

    Below is the e-mail I received from Mapopolis.

    We do not manufacture anything. Another company,
    www.positioningsolutions.com buys our software and distributes it with
    physical products like the bundles.

    HERE IS THE FULL TREO 600 story. The $199 product is Platinum+GPS for older
    TREOs, not the 600.


    Thanks for your interest in Mapopolis.

    We currently support the Treo 600.

    1. OPTION WITHOUT GPS DEVICE
    If you want the equivalent of Yahoo Maps (door-to-door driving directions)
    on your Treo 600, try the free demo outlined below. When used without a GPS
    device, it is the same as the Platinum Map Pack for Palm OS 5 for whichever
    you are trying of N. America or W. Europe. This web-based product is
    $34.95.

    When you purchase a Map Pack you get the right to download any/all maps from
    the map data release that is current at the time of purchase for whichever
    library (North America or Western Europe) you select. You may download for
    one year, but the maps downloaded continue working forever. The benefit of a
    Map Pack is that it is more economical for users needing more than 3 maps.
    The Platinum Map Packs also includes Major Road Maps: These are skeletal
    maps that include the major highways in each state/province/country. They
    work in conjunction with the detailed county maps. Load a few maps on
    either end along with the Major Road Maps and get long distance door-to-door
    routing with minimal RAM requirements.

    If you purchase this product now, you may receive a pro-rated credit for
    upgrading to the Navigator level if you get a GPS device later (prior to the
    end of the 375-day downloading period).

    LINK TO PURCHASE for N. America:
    http://64.208.105.215/mapstore.jsp?p...bscriptionPlan
    PNM05&it=z&s=1068576538312610&p=&q=95809.39842030188

    LINK TO PURCHASE for W. EU:
    http://64.208.105.215/mapstore.jsp?p...bscriptionPlan
    IntlEPNM05&it=z&s=1068576621375070&p=&q=98327.69704348025

    LINK TO PURCHASE optional Place Guide Pack for US (includes business points
    of interest such as hotels, restaurants, etc. and works with Platinum or
    Navigator maps):
    http://64.208.105.215/mapstore.jsp?p...bscriptionPlan
    GGM01&it=z&s=1068575526531384&p=&q=25358.867927204865


    2. OPTIONS WITH GPS DEVICE

    WHEN USED WITHOUT THE GPS DEVICE ATTACHED, THESE OPTIONS ARE IDENTICAL TO 1.
    ABOVE. I encourage you to try the free demo outlined below -- even without
    the GPS device.

    The 911-locator chip contained in the Treo 600 is not sufficient for use as
    a GPS device for navigational purposes. So, if you desire the full
    functionality of an onboard system with Voice Alerts (turn right in 500
    feet) and Active Route Guidance (reroutes you if you go off course), you
    need to purchase a GPS device.

    A. OPTION THAT LETS YOU ALSO USE OUT OF VEHICLE:
    iGolf has an SDIO-type GPS that will work with the Treo 600. It fits in the
    SDIO slot and allows for walking around with the device. The serial
    solution outlined below limits you to in-vehicle use. However, the SDIO GPS
    uses up the memory card slot and doesn't provide additional memory capacity.
    Given the popularity of this device, we expect an SD GPS with added memory
    will be released by some vendor within 6-8 months. That will be more
    practical for use with Mapopolis. The iGolf model ships with a SINGLE
    REGION CD of Platinum+GPS Mapopolis that could be upgraded to the full
    web-based Navigator version upon proof of purchase and if desired. The
    Platinum+GPS version included does not work on the Treo 600 as is.

    LINK TO PURCHASE: http://www.igolftech.com/sdgps.php

    Write to info@mapopolis.com for instructions on upgrading limited CD to full
    web-based Navigator for Palm OS 5 product.

    B. OPTION THAT LIMITS YOU TO IN-VEHICLE USE:
    One end of the Y-cable on the serial GPS device plugs into your car lighter,
    another end to the Treo 600 serial port. The other end terminates at the
    magnetic mouse that can sit on your dashboard or be run out through the
    opening between door and car body to sit on outside of car to receive the
    clearest signal. This would need to be used with a Navigator Map Pack for
    Palm OS 5 for whichever of N. America or W. EU is of interest. N. America
    is presently available on CD, W. EU is not.

    This is why I prefer/recommend the web-based to CD (unless you have a slow
    line for downloading):

    * There are convenience links to download zip files by state with all the
    state detail and major road maps.

    * Web-based Navigator include Canada too but CD is US only.

    * Web-based also lets you access lower level maps for your platform.
    Enhanced cover Alaska, all of Hawaii (NavTech won't fill out rest for about
    6 months - only have Honolulu now) and can be better in REALLY rural areas.

    * Web-based gives you chance or restarting 375-day download period pointing
    to new data when available with some credit for prior purchase. CD does not
    offer that.

    * If you also want the $24.95 Place Guide Pack (only covers US business
    POIs such as hotels, restaurants), it is only available web-based so you
    will be downloading that anyway. This may be replaced with Exit Guides for
    US and Canada based on data from Zenrin on the near future.

    * You can burn your own CD from web-based and have best of both worlds.

    LINKS TO PURCHASE SERIAL GPS DEVICE: BEST DEAL AT:
    http://www.positioningsolutions.com/openbox.html or
    http://www.semsons.com/itmousgpsrec.html

    LINK TO PURCHASE web-based N. American Navigator for Palm OS 5 Map Pack:
    http://64.208.105.215/mapstore.jsp?p...bscriptionPlan
    NGM05&it=z&s=1068575646531163&p=&q=7674.056547882647

    LINK TO PURCHASE web-based W. EU Navigator for Palm OS 5 Map Pack:
    http://64.208.105.215/mapstore.jsp?p...bscriptionPlan
    IntlENGM05&it=z&s=1068575662765832&p=&q=18097.61712219006

    LINK TO PURCHASE CD for US Navigator for Palm OS 5 Map Pack:
    http://store.palm.com/product/index....earchId=103297
    30605&keywords=mapopolis&parentPage=search

    LINK TO PURCHASE optional Place Guide Pack for US (includes business points
    of interest such as hotels, restaurants, etc. and works with Platinum or
    Navigator maps):
    http://64.208.105.215/mapstore.jsp?p...bscriptionPlan
    GGM01&it=z&s=1068575729890954&p=&q=25154.70654820131

    There is now a bundle with the US ONLY CD at Mobile Planet:
    http://www.mobileplanet.com/product....=MP731446&mscs
    sid=KPFC8L95BNWS9KKXC5XTQ2BJTLMAEAAD&listing=1


    Please write back if you have any questions and thanks again for your
    interest,
    Cheryl @ Mapopolis Support

    FREE DEMO INSTRUCTIONS:

    WHEN USING PALM OS plot a route and the Nav Pane will pop up showing the
    next turn. If you tap the nav pane,
    the prompt will be spoken. Down on the d-pad advances to the next turn, up
    backs up to the last. Center button toggles on/off speech & visual prompts.
    This shows you what it would be like if you had a GPS device.

    The demo maps are now Navigator for Palm OS 5 so you may see how it works
    yourself by doing a free demo (with or without a GPS device). When used
    without a GPS device, the functionality and maps are equivalent to the
    Platinum level maps.

    The free Map Viewer is available on our website under Download App, then
    select your device type (Palm OS 5 for the Treo 600). The page with the App
    also has instructions.

    The new User's Guide for the free 1.x Map Viewer that works with the Treo
    600 is here: http://kudzumonthly.com/mapopolis/PalmNavMan.zip

    You may download the demo maps by following this procedure:

    Downloading Demo Maps

    Click the blue Download Maps button on the left side of the screen. Specify
    platform if you did not already do it earlier in the session (Palm OS 5).
    Select the state or province or country in the appropriate box and click
    Show All Maps. Select the individual map you wish to download. Next you
    will be taken to a page that shows all the available maps for your
    selection. Finally, click the Download Map link in the demo row. Save the
    map to your Desktop for synching to your device. Follow the instructions
    from the Download App page.

    Many people doing the free demo ask these questions so I am including them
    here to save the effort:

    Map Pack
    What is a Map Pack?

    When you purchase a Map Pack you get the right to download any/all maps from
    the map data release that is current at the time of purchase for whichever
    library (North America or Western Europe) for whichever platform (Palm OS
    5, Pocket PC, Palm OS 3/4/low RAM 5) you select. You may download for one
    year, but the maps downloaded continue working forever. The benefit of a Map
    Pack is that it is more economical for users needing more than 3 maps.



    Long Distance Routing
    If I am driving from one end of the state to a location at the other end, do
    I have to load every county on the way in order to have complete directions?

    No, if you have a Platinum or higher Map Pack to release 4 or newer map
    data, you also have access to the Major Road Maps. These are skeletal maps
    that include the major highways in each state/province. They work in
    conjunction with the detailed county maps. Load a few maps on either end
    along with the
    Major Road Maps and get long distance door-to-door routing. You may
    download these maps from the
    top of the listing of maps for each state/province. They also work across
    states/provinces.
    Just released for W. Europe. Note that cities are depicted as circles and
    counties as squares
    on the Major Road Maps. If you get off the highway somewhere and want to
    find the nearest
    county(ies) just tap the nearest squares to find out the maps to load for
    travel in that local area.
    You may also use this if you are away from the Internet and need to find out
    what county a particular
    city is in.

    Downloading Maps with a Map Pack
    I see the Map Pack I purchased when I click Past Purchases but I don't see
    any links to use for downloading?

    To use your Map Pack, login to your Mapopolis accout and click the blue
    Download Maps button on the left side of the screen. Select the state or
    province or country in the appropriate box and click Show All Maps. Select
    either the individual map you wish to download or the link at the top of the
    list to get the entire state/province/country at once in a zip file. Next
    you will be taken to a page that shows all the available maps for your
    selection. Those that say Download Map come with your purchase; those that
    say Add to Cart do not. Finally, click the Download Map link in the row (map
    level) you want. Save the map to your Desktop for synching to your device.



    FREE UPDATES NOT INCLUDED. READ BELOW. Place Guides (BUSINESS POIs) are
    sep. purchase.

    There are no fixed dates/time periods for updates. We process them whenever
    NavTech sends them to us. Last year they sent them 3 times. We may be
    going to a system of two (2) updates per year.


    For each data release, NavTech incorporates misc. corrections collected
    through their online Driver Feedback forms at http://update.navtech.com.
    Credible reports
    are checked by drivers and changes may be made to any maps based on this
    information. In addition they focus on so many metro areas for each
    release. These are the areas to be added or extensively updated for the
    next two data releases:

    THIS RELEASE - MADE FOR PPC and Palm OS 5:
    Barrie & Kingston ON
    Kamloops & Squamish BC
    Wichita KS
    Austin, Dallas & San Antonio TX Expansions
    Lake Geneva WI
    Akron OH
    Erie PA
    N. NJ Expansion
    Oneonta NY Expansion
    Keys, Miami & Naples FL Expansions
    Savannah GA
    Roanoke VA

    Next release:
    Islands of Maui, Molokai, Lanai, Kauai & Hawaii
    Stockton CA
    Napa/Sonoma CA Expansion
    Little Rock AR
    Green Bay WI
    Rockford IL
    Binghamton NY
    Lexington KY
    Albany NY Expansion
    Burlington VT
    Springfield MA Expansion
    Charlottesville VA Expansion
    Harrisburg PA Expansion
    Washington DC Expansion
    Reading PA
    Atlanta GA Expansion
    Columbia SC
    Columbus OH Expansion

    Release after that :
    Bellingham, WA
    Billings, MT
    Cheyenne, WY
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Kansas City KS/MO Expansion
    Sioux Falls, SD
    Cleveland, OH Expansion
    Pittsburgh, PA Expansion
    New York City, NY Expansion
    Ithaca, NY
    Charlotte, NC/SC Expansion
    Ft Pierce/Vero Beach, FL
    Raleigh-Durham, NC Expansion
    Washington, DC Expansion
    Richmond, VA Expansion


    Please note that map updates are not included free with any map or Map Pack
    purchase. This is the relevant text from our website:

    The purchase of an online Map Pack or Guide Pack entitles you to download
    an unlimited number of maps or guides from the purchased version of data for
    free for a period of one year from the date of purchase. Discount pricing is
    available for later purchases.

    The key is (FROM THE PURCHASED VERSION OF DATA). The reason we can't just
    give free
    updates is that we have to pay NavTech each time each data release is
    accessed. If we gave free updates, we would have a business model that
    included our paying NavTech royalties greater than what we charge for the
    products.

    However, web-based Map Pack holders are presented with a link (under Past
    Purchases)
    that lets them effectively renew/restart (375 days) their Map Pack with the
    newest data when it becomes available. The charge to do so is indicated and
    prior to the last 3 months of a Map Pack, it includes a credit for the time
    remaining on the current Map Pack.

    My personal opinion is that renewing once a year should be good enough. Only
    taxi drivers and appraisers of new real estate need to get all the updates
    as soon as they are released.

    ------

    I am waiting on a reply from the manufacturer (www.positioningsolutions.com)

    cash70
    Last edited by cash70; 12/11/2003 at 01:21 PM.
    Me = Nokia 5170/Palm III > Kyocera 6035 > Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 700p > Treo 755p > Treo Pro > Palm Pre

    Wife = Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 755p > Palm Centro > Palm Pixi
  9. #9  
    Thx cash70. That answered all the questions I had (and more, obviously )
  10.    #10  
    The bundle Mobile Planet has for $249.95 is the same that we have except we have it in stock at http://www.dpcomputerstore.com/produ..._id=18-011-007

    As originally mentioned, just join our forum over at www.treo600world.com and get access to our Member's Only section which has a $20 off coupon for this product thru Sunday, 12/14.

    The PositioningSolutions company they mention is our supplier.

    Larry
  11. #11  
    Originally posted by cash70
    I am waiting on a reply from the manufacturer (www.positioningsolutions.com)

    Here is the reply from the manufacturer:

    unfortunately, the treo300 can't support the software for the navigator
    serial bundle... only the treo 600 can.. the 300 can support the gps unit,
    but not the voice nor the auto re-routing... each unit has a specific limit
    to the amount of info that can be processed and each has a unique way of
    transmitting that information... i hope this is helpful..

    -------------------------

    cash70
    Me = Nokia 5170/Palm III > Kyocera 6035 > Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 700p > Treo 755p > Treo Pro > Palm Pre

    Wife = Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 755p > Palm Centro > Palm Pixi
  12.    #12  
    Just received the following from Positioning Solutions which markes the Treo 600 GPS bundle kit with the Mapopolis GPS concerning the old Mapopolis Treo GPS:

    It has been brought to our attention that the original Treo solution '04' from Mapopolis does not work with the Treo 600 as it is a OS5 only device.

    Please also ensure your website indicates the incompatibility going forward.


    So they are stating the older version for $199 does not work with the Treo 600.

    Larry
  13. #13  
    Excuse the pun, but I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has purchased the Mapopolis GPS kit for the Treo 600.

    How has it performed? I've read about issues with the product, and would appreciate any "real-world" input from a current user of the product.
    -- "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" --
  14. #14  
    hi, I am still waiting and waiting and waiting for the igolf unit that I ordered to get here six weeks after the release date and they still have not shipped any. They are very short with info. I have called and emailed a few times. I will post about the unit as soon as it arrives. The nice thing about the igolf unit is that you have no wires or cables and it can be used when walking as well as driving, (walking anywhere a car can go). Take care, Jay
  15. #15  
    Mightygps has the unit referred to in this thread for $219. The link is

    http://www.mightygps.com/...

    Has anyone tried this unit? What are the pros and cons?

    I wish the maps could be run off the SD card, since LA is 5MB. But I guess the ability to move them back and forth is a good thing.
  16. #16  
    -- "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" --

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