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Lots of discounting and price cuts lately. This often starts to happen to clear out inventory before a new model comes out. Could be we're going to see a new Pre in 30 to 60 days, perhaps with more memory, adjustments to hardware, new features, etc. It's about that time. Thoughts?
My hopes:
-16 gig (or 32)
-Improved keyboard
My hopes:
-16 gig (or 32)
-Improved keyboard
its always possible lol
Doubtful. Maybe after the Pixi launch this holiday season. I think Palm already has more than enough on their plate, especially considering the small size of the company.
yes, it's called june 6 2010
i dont usually say this but dream on fella.
Originally Posted by gage006:
Doubtful. Maybe after the Pixi launch this holiday season. I think Palm already has more than enough on their plate, especially considering the small size of the company.
You might be right, but each day the odds are increasing. They had to rush to market, and now that they've probably found most of the kinks in the hardware and figured out things they'd like to change, it is time for a new model that gets rid of those kinks, plus starts to segment its price offerings (more $ for more storage, etc.).Doubtful. Maybe after the Pixi launch this holiday season. I think Palm already has more than enough on their plate, especially considering the small size of the company.
The sudden reduction in price is a result of the poor showing in first quarter Pre sales. They have to get those number up in the market place if they're going to have any sort of impact.
Originally Posted by Kupe:
The sudden reduction in price is a result of the poor showing in first quarter Pre sales. They have to get those number up in the market place if they're going to have any sort of impact.
Could be right. Hope that's not the reason, but...The sudden reduction in price is a result of the poor showing in first quarter Pre sales. They have to get those number up in the market place if they're going to have any sort of impact.
I wouldn't think there'd be a Pre2 so soon, especially with the upcoming Pixi release.
My guess is that given Palm's financial situation this is a move to increase the number of Pres out there and appease stockholder nervousness ("we might not be making a ton of money but we've increased our marketshare x percent").
Not that I'm a financial dude, just was my first thought when I read this.
My guess is that given Palm's financial situation this is a move to increase the number of Pres out there and appease stockholder nervousness ("we might not be making a ton of money but we've increased our marketshare x percent").
Not that I'm a financial dude, just was my first thought when I read this.
Pure unabashed speculation!
Hope your right!
Hope your right!
like vickmackey said, look for june 2010
Say an upgrade does come out, will sprint do something for us? I would love pre with more space.
Also, will it be like the iPhone where our applications we download are saved?
Also, will it be like the iPhone where our applications we download are saved?
First off, aren't these price reductions on the 3rd party end? Wasn't their a projection on how much the pre actually cost to make leaving the profit margin very wide? So to draw more customers to buy from them, a 3rd party retailer like Walmart would want a lower price than everyone else.
I wouldn't be surprised if a 3rd phone came out in the first part of 2010. At this point, since they have a solid team working on webOS, they just need a team to do the hardware part. If they can get a solid virtual keyboard, i'm sure it would be easier to come up with a Keyboard free design like the Pre.
I wouldn't be surprised if a 3rd phone came out in the first part of 2010. At this point, since they have a solid team working on webOS, they just need a team to do the hardware part. If they can get a solid virtual keyboard, i'm sure it would be easier to come up with a Keyboard free design like the Pre.
It could possibly happen. Not of their wanting to but maybe no choice in having to.
They put themselves in a situation... or maybe Sprint put them in this situation.
I have no doubt that Palm and Sprint were expecting to command iPhone prices and be able to stay with them on it and hoping the phone would be so popular that ther are hard to keep in stock the whole year. I don't think they would have wanted to even think about price change until next year where they would probably have had a new model at least 16GB and can reduce the 8GB model like iPhone.
In the three months your $299 phone sold at $199 (with generous mail-in rebate) is now a $99 phone. I can't see this as being planned. Everybody speculating how high the Pre numbers must have been last quarter and how very good they were... but I think dropping a phone to $99 gives you a better idea of where the real number were in that range people were speculating.
And you just announce a new phone (PIXI) and tell everyone you are selling it at $199 and you KNOW that in specs it a weaker phone.
One, how do you justify the $199 PIXI coming out unless it is fully subsidized and they are giving them away with new contract? Two, How do you justify bringing your flagship phone back past $199 and make some money? If they sell both phones like that, they will get killed and every carrier they make a deal with will have them under a barrel because they will not sell the phones higher than Sprints.
I wonder myself... but think Sprint screwed them and forced the drop because they havent been the blockbuster that they hoped it would be (and let's be honest, they were looking for an iPhone killer). Sprint is treating their flagship phone no better than any of their past Palm models and IMO they need to get out from under Sprint or they will get buried.
They need to get the App store rocking ASAP. Really wonder what the friggen delay is because the longer it goes, other phones gain more attention while this one dies because you can only flip cards with no good apps for so long. Once the app store is rocking, they can add value to the phone and release the new phones at higher prices and be able to justify them.
Just a thought.
They put themselves in a situation... or maybe Sprint put them in this situation.
I have no doubt that Palm and Sprint were expecting to command iPhone prices and be able to stay with them on it and hoping the phone would be so popular that ther are hard to keep in stock the whole year. I don't think they would have wanted to even think about price change until next year where they would probably have had a new model at least 16GB and can reduce the 8GB model like iPhone.
In the three months your $299 phone sold at $199 (with generous mail-in rebate) is now a $99 phone. I can't see this as being planned. Everybody speculating how high the Pre numbers must have been last quarter and how very good they were... but I think dropping a phone to $99 gives you a better idea of where the real number were in that range people were speculating.
And you just announce a new phone (PIXI) and tell everyone you are selling it at $199 and you KNOW that in specs it a weaker phone.
One, how do you justify the $199 PIXI coming out unless it is fully subsidized and they are giving them away with new contract? Two, How do you justify bringing your flagship phone back past $199 and make some money? If they sell both phones like that, they will get killed and every carrier they make a deal with will have them under a barrel because they will not sell the phones higher than Sprints.
I wonder myself... but think Sprint screwed them and forced the drop because they havent been the blockbuster that they hoped it would be (and let's be honest, they were looking for an iPhone killer). Sprint is treating their flagship phone no better than any of their past Palm models and IMO they need to get out from under Sprint or they will get buried.
They need to get the App store rocking ASAP. Really wonder what the friggen delay is because the longer it goes, other phones gain more attention while this one dies because you can only flip cards with no good apps for so long. Once the app store is rocking, they can add value to the phone and release the new phones at higher prices and be able to justify them.
Just a thought.
Originally Posted by hbg:
You might be right, but each day the odds are increasing. They had to rush to market, and now that they've probably found most of the kinks in the hardware and figured out things they'd like to change, it is time for a new model that gets rid of those kinks, plus starts to segment its price offerings (more $ for more storage, etc.).
You might be right, but each day the odds are increasing. They had to rush to market, and now that they've probably found most of the kinks in the hardware and figured out things they'd like to change, it is time for a new model that gets rid of those kinks, plus starts to segment its price offerings (more $ for more storage, etc.).
Originally Posted by 93akkord:
Say an upgrade does come out, will sprint do something for us? I would love pre with more space.
Also, will it be like the iPhone where our applications we download are saved?
I doubt they would do anything for early adopters... you bought at subsidized price so you already got a deal (through a mail-in rebate Say an upgrade does come out, will sprint do something for us? I would love pre with more space.
Also, will it be like the iPhone where our applications we download are saved?
). If anything they may knock off $200 (mail-in rebate ) off full price?That's why part of me doesnt think they will bring out a new phone. People may be able to stomach now that their $299 phone is $99. But to come out with a new phone and make yours 'old' in 3 months with no upgrade path?
PR nightmare that would be.
They really have to get momentum and the app store rocking and other stuff to justify the price of 2nd gen pre.
If Palm releases a new higher capacity (16/32 GB) Pre so soon, I would be pretty annoyed...
Probably just an increased storage model. Maybe announced @ CES.
Originally Posted by Kupe:
The sudden reduction in price is a result of the poor showing in first quarter Pre sales. They have to get those number up in the market place if they're going to have any sort of impact.
I think the price reductions mean: The sudden reduction in price is a result of the poor showing in first quarter Pre sales. They have to get those number up in the market place if they're going to have any sort of impact.
(1) 16GB Pre model coming sometime this year (which means the Pixi will sell at $79 or less...maybe even $49), and/or
(2) a push to get sales past the 1MM mark so that Palm can use that headline number in advertising (eg, for the Pixi), carrier negotiations (with VZ for example), and so on.
Originally Posted by 93akkord:
Say an upgrade does come out, will sprint do something for us? I would love pre with more space.
Also, will it be like the iPhone where our applications we download are saved?
Short answer: NoSay an upgrade does come out, will sprint do something for us? I would love pre with more space.
Also, will it be like the iPhone where our applications we download are saved?
Long answer: No way!
One of the benefits of being an "early adapter".
All of us who..shelled out the 500 bucks got screwed over..we demand some money back..cause we got defective units at a huge price and now the better ones or a new model of pre is coming and we all bent over and grabbed our ankles if you know what i mean...we got SCREWED!!!!
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