Windows Embedded on HP TouchPad?

techlover10 · 02/21/2012, 10:36 PM

Just got a DreamSpark license and it gives me free licenses of Windows Embedded 7. I don't wanna start a flame war, but I am just wondering if it is possible to maybe load it on an HP TouchPad and get some windows apps running on it?

Mantorok · 02/21/2012, 11:25 PM

I think Windows Embedded 7 only supports x86 and x64 processors...not the ARM processors that the TP uses. Windows 8 is supposed to support ARM processors though.

techlover10 · 02/21/2012, 11:33 PM

According to Wikipedia, it supports ARM v7. IDK if that means it can be ported to touchpad or not.

hakkinen · 02/22/2012, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techlover10

According to Wikipedia, it supports ARM v7. IDK if that means it can be ported to touchpad or not.

Yes, it does
Enterprise Devices | Windows Embedded Compact 7 | Download Windows CE
http://blogs.arm.com/embedded/441-wi...rbit-with-arm/

geekpeter · 02/22/2012, 04:29 AM

theres more to running an OS than having just a matching processor type, a lot more.

DaDueler · 02/22/2012, 07:29 PM

I'd like to see this happen!

Quote:

Originally Posted by techlover10

According to Wikipedia, it supports ARM v7. IDK if that means it can be ported to touchpad or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hakkinen

Yes, it does
Enterprise Devices | Windows Embedded Compact 7 | Download Windows CE
Windows Embedded Compact 7 is in orbit with ARM - ARM Community

creepingmee · 02/22/2012, 09:21 PM

I am running the risk of becoming unpopular with this statement, but....

I have never gotten it. I guess I never will. Since the early 1980s I couldn't understand why someone would want to use MS DOS over CP/M. Since CP/M was better in nearly all respects. This continued through various forms of Windows. The NT kernel to me is a patched and hacked mess. NTFS is old and has to be constantly defragged. No other half way recent file system has this problem. I just for the life of me cannot understand why someone would want to put that stuff on any machine let alone machines that were never ment to run it. Am I completely alone in this???? I have never used any M$ operating system on any platform for any reason. I cannot for the life of me figure out why it is so popular. To each their own I guess....

techlover10 · 02/22/2012, 11:08 PM

@creepingmee
I want it for the app support. I am a MuseScore junkie, and I'd love to have it on my tablet. Of course, I am not a true developer so I often don't see the problems with my random ideas, but I am envisioning a Windows Embedded tablet running a fullscreen MuseScore. If you don't know what musescore is, look it up :-)

dignitary · 02/23/2012, 02:06 AM

And who exactly is going to create all the device drivers to allow Windows Embedded to run on the Touchpad, exactly?

Nobody. Because they'd almost universally have to be created from scratch. From the Touchscreen driver on through to Bluetooth, Wireless, etc. All of it.

And that's excluding the technical intricacies of loading a bloated Microsoft embedded OS onto the Touchpad on a Windows-capable filesystem (NTFS if we're talking Windows 7 Embedded) without screwing webOS in the process, which means partitioning. Oh god, the mess that would become.

99.9999999999% chance this won't happen.

g8slord · 02/23/2012, 08:24 AM

I had read, at the end of last year, HP was putting Win8 on a TP as a proof of concept. I have to agree with the poster on this one. I would love to see Win8 come to the HP TP. Less and less is beoming availible for the TPs and once working apps are also starting to fade away. I have 3 of the HP TPs and LOVE WebOS but at this point I am using it for web browsing and no more. Win8 would allow me to bring more functionality to my devices. Of course I will ALWAYS have one that is stock WebOS to keep my fix :-)

bearda · 02/23/2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by techlover10

@creepingmee
I want it for the app support. I am a MuseScore junkie, and I'd love to have it on my tablet. Of course, I am not a true developer so I often don't see the problems with my random ideas, but I am envisioning a Windows Embedded tablet running a fullscreen MuseScore. If you don't know what musescore is, look it up :-)

Microsoft changed their nomenclature a few years ago and unified the Windows CE (now windows Embedded Compact) and Windows XP Embedded (now windows Embedded Standard) product lines. Except for the fact that they're still pretty much different.

You might be able to get Windows Embedded Compact running on a TouchPad with a hell of a lot of driver development. Windows Embedded Standard does not run on ARM. In the end you still wouldn't be able to run any of the applications you want to, though. Normal windows applications don't really run on Windows Embedded Compact, just specifically targeted ones. It's essentially the same operating system Windows Mobile phones used (pre-Windows Phone 7). Even then, all your applications would have to be rebuild as ARM binaries instead of x86. You will not be able to take a normal Windows PC binary and run it on a TouchPad, regardless of how many years you spend on OS porting. Porting Windows Embedded Compact will not get you much in terms of app compatibility.

xandros9 · 02/23/2012, 04:51 PM

(wait, is Embedded the same as CE?)

Aware · 02/23/2012, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creepingmee

I am running the risk of becoming unpopular with this statement, but....

I have never gotten it. I guess I never will. Since the early 1980s I couldn't understand why someone would want to use MS DOS over CP/M. Since CP/M was better in nearly all respects. This continued through various forms of Windows. The NT kernel to me is a patched and hacked mess. NTFS is old and has to be constantly defragged. No other half way recent file system has this problem. I just for the life of me cannot understand why someone would want to put that stuff on any machine let alone machines that were never ment to run it. Am I completely alone in this???? I have never used any M$ operating system on any platform for any reason. I cannot for the life of me figure out why it is so popular. To each their own I guess....

of course you don't understand. You've never used it. I've never used a knitting needle on any sweater I've ever owned, and I don't understand why anyone would ...

bearda · 02/24/2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by xandros9

(wait, is Embedded the same as CE?)

Windows Embedded Compact is the new name for Windows CE.

old_geekster · 02/24/2012, 04:14 PM

I am a Windows guy, but would rather stick with Linux (open source) on my TP. I like the idea of not having to pay for everything that I do on it. I have had a dual boot system with Windows and Ubuntu for years on my desktop. Each has its place in my world.

kstagg · 02/29/2012, 10:55 AM

I agree with g8slord...

My family loves our TouchPad, but with the scarcity of apps and the release of the Windows 8 Consumer Preview today, I am intrigued. One of the features of Windows 8 is the addition of the Windows App store and today it launched with over 100 FREE apps. To be able to access those, and knowing the kind of developer support that Microsoft can throw it's weight behind, would be an extremely attractive option.

I love WebOS, but let's be honest, the developers haven't come running to support it and after seeing the previews of Windows 8 today, I am really looking forward to the upgrade from Win7 to Win8 and especially the option to use touch features.

@kstagg

Courousant · 02/29/2012, 03:04 PM

I love webOS, but from my understanding, windows8 preview minimum requires 16gb. Wouldn't a partition be an option for those with 32gb TPs? I apologize for my COMPLETE inability to grasp what goes into these things.

Kneelbeforezod · 03/01/2012, 10:08 AM

so far only 32 bit and 64 bit are available. We'd need an arm edition I would think for the touchpad

02/21/2012, 10:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
techlover10 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: I am located...somewhere... Posts: 117 Likes Received: 7 Thanks: 13 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Windows Embedded on HP TouchPad? Just got a DreamSpark license and it gives me free licenses of Windows Embedded 7. I don't wanna start a flame war, but I am just wondering if it is possible to maybe load it on an HP TouchPad and get some windows apps running on it? __________________ - techlover10, long time webOS fan and Pulse News supporter Please check out my thread at http://forums.webosnation.com/app-re...may-think.html
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02/21/2012, 11:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mantorok Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 5 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think Windows Embedded 7 only supports x86 and x64 processors...not the ARM processors that the TP uses. Windows 8 is supposed to support ARM processors though.
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02/21/2012, 11:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
techlover10 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: I am located...somewhere... Posts: 117 Likes Received: 7 Thanks: 13 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	According to Wikipedia, it supports ARM v7. IDK if that means it can be ported to touchpad or not. __________________ - techlover10, long time webOS fan and Pulse News supporter Please check out my thread at http://forums.webosnation.com/app-re...may-think.html
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02/22/2012, 04:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
geekpeter Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,532 Likes Received: 191 Thanks: 64 Thanked 119 Times in 105 Posts	theres more to running an OS than having just a matching processor type, a lot more.
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02/22/2012, 09:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
creepingmee Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 105 Likes Received: 19 Thanks: 6 Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts	I am running the risk of becoming unpopular with this statement, but.... I have never gotten it. I guess I never will. Since the early 1980s I couldn't understand why someone would want to use MS DOS over CP/M. Since CP/M was better in nearly all respects. This continued through various forms of Windows. The NT kernel to me is a patched and hacked mess. NTFS is old and has to be constantly defragged. No other half way recent file system has this problem. I just for the life of me cannot understand why someone would want to put that stuff on any machine let alone machines that were never ment to run it. Am I completely alone in this???? I have never used any M$ operating system on any platform for any reason. I cannot for the life of me figure out why it is so popular. To each their own I guess....
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02/22/2012, 11:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
techlover10 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: I am located...somewhere... Posts: 117 Likes Received: 7 Thanks: 13 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	@creepingmee I want it for the app support. I am a MuseScore junkie, and I'd love to have it on my tablet. Of course, I am not a true developer so I often don't see the problems with my random ideas, but I am envisioning a Windows Embedded tablet running a fullscreen MuseScore. If you don't know what musescore is, look it up :-) __________________ - techlover10, long time webOS fan and Pulse News supporter Please check out my thread at http://forums.webosnation.com/app-re...may-think.html
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02/23/2012, 02:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
dignitary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 573 Likes Received: 117 Thanks: 154 Thanked 166 Times in 121 Posts	And who exactly is going to create all the device drivers to allow Windows Embedded to run on the Touchpad, exactly? Nobody. Because they'd almost universally have to be created from scratch. From the Touchscreen driver on through to Bluetooth, Wireless, etc. All of it. And that's excluding the technical intricacies of loading a bloated Microsoft embedded OS onto the Touchpad on a Windows-capable filesystem (NTFS if we're talking Windows 7 Embedded) without screwing webOS in the process, which means partitioning. Oh god, the mess that would become. 99.9999999999% chance this won't happen.
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02/23/2012, 08:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
g8slord Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 19 Likes Received: 1 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HP was testing it??? I had read, at the end of last year, HP was putting Win8 on a TP as a proof of concept. I have to agree with the poster on this one. I would love to see Win8 come to the HP TP. Less and less is beoming availible for the TPs and once working apps are also starting to fade away. I have 3 of the HP TPs and LOVE WebOS but at this point I am using it for web browsing and no more. Win8 would allow me to bring more functionality to my devices. Of course I will ALWAYS have one that is stock WebOS to keep my fix :-)
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02/23/2012, 04:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
xandros9 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 282 Likes Received: 34 Thanks: 55 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	(wait, is Embedded the same as CE?) __________________ HP Think Beyond Event (February 9, 2011) - http://youtu.be/VnjwG7Z8AM8 (you're welcome in advance ) Considering the awesome Dropbox? Help me out: http://db.tt/uf86kh0v Unlocked GSM Palm Pre 2 (US -- used without cell service) -- webOS 2.2.4
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02/24/2012, 04:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
old_geekster Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Walla Walla, Washington Posts: 143 Likes Received: 11 Thanks: 24 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	I am a Windows guy, but would rather stick with Linux (open source) on my TP. I like the idea of not having to pay for everything that I do on it. I have had a dual boot system with Windows and Ubuntu for years on my desktop. Each has its place in my world. __________________ Intelligence is God given; Wisdom is the sum of our mistakes! • As a top contributor to the HP Consumer Support Forums, HP provides me access to the Tochpad at no charge so I may better respond to the questions raised on the Forum.
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02/29/2012, 10:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
kstagg Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree with g8slord... My family loves our TouchPad, but with the scarcity of apps and the release of the Windows 8 Consumer Preview today, I am intrigued. One of the features of Windows 8 is the addition of the Windows App store and today it launched with over 100 FREE apps. To be able to access those, and knowing the kind of developer support that Microsoft can throw it's weight behind, would be an extremely attractive option. I love WebOS, but let's be honest, the developers haven't come running to support it and after seeing the previews of Windows 8 today, I am really looking forward to the upgrade from Win7 to Win8 and especially the option to use touch features. @kstagg
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02/29/2012, 03:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
Courousant Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 527 Likes Received: 24 Thanks: 145 Thanked 91 Times in 46 Posts	I love webOS, but from my understanding, windows8 preview minimum requires 16gb. Wouldn't a partition be an option for those with 32gb TPs? I apologize for my COMPLETE inability to grasp what goes into these things.
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03/01/2012, 10:08 AM	#18 (permalink)
Kneelbeforezod Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 134 Likes Received: 7 Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	so far only 32 bit and 64 bit are available. We'd need an arm edition I would think for the touchpad
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