CarrierIQ (CIQ) and such "rootkits" on HP Touchpad ?

hptuser · 11/27/2011, 06:59 PM

Has anybody looked to see if the HP Touchpad too has CarrierIQ or such "rootkits" pre-installed ?
The Rootkit Of All Evil – CIQ | xda-developers

BTW, homebrew Impostah seems to make available a lot of system info etc.
How does one make the best use of Impostah ?

Also, is there anti-virus / anti-malware apps available for TP? Thanks.

bluenote · 11/27/2011, 07:02 PM

Shows that "nothing is free", while people think they are getting this free Android software on their phone, no one put to the consumer directly--would you hand over your information in exchange for this (free) software?

Cantaffordit · 11/27/2011, 07:05 PM

no reason to have antivirus software for webOS

nexus14 · 11/27/2011, 07:15 PM

One could argue that HP's overzealous use of system logging is similar to a rootkit

cmcrae1 · 11/29/2011, 07:19 PM

Look at Carrier IQ Info Video - YouTube (@ 1:05 minutes).....would appear that it is on our devices too.

antijingoist · 11/29/2011, 09:16 PM

RT @Korey_Nicholson: @webosinternals @hp @webosdev @verge They are a client yes. I'm the one who conducted the interview with Andrew Coward

bluenote · 09:42 PM

for webOS? Or for their windows tablets?

wow: video shows TouchPad and two phones: Pre3 and Pre2?

And HP technical support still had alot of trouble fixing my TouchPad. The video says the consumer has to opt-in. Where is the opt-in for webOS? Is it in the Palm agreement or the app catalogue agreement?

dignitary · 11/29/2011, 09:48 PM

The consumer "opts in" without ever realizing it because it's generally buried in a contract or agreement in fine print.

p41m3r · 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by independent1

The consumer "opts in" without ever realizing it because it's generally buried in a contract or agreement in fine print.

That's right.

3:56 - "...they gain this permission through service agreements..."
4:01 - contains user-identifiable info. Sweet!

Ok, so how do we kill this monster?

Mutoidi · 11/30/2011, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p41m3r

That's right.

3:56 - "...they gain this permission through service agreements..."
4:01 - contains user-identifiable info. Sweet!

Ok, so how do we kill this monster?

It's dying anyway!
Just be aware of what you 'back-up' and where.. and what Accs. you 'sync' to what other Accs?
Clean out your Log files and frequently reset to 'Min Logging' etc?
Disable your Android 'identifier'?
Empty your Email 'trash' from both client & server?
Opt out of 'Location Services'?

panel · 11/30/2011, 07:45 AM

Sorry I don't understand, is there CIQ logging on webOS or no ? Or nobody knows?

greenskinredeyez · 11/30/2011, 04:39 PM

Why?

So nobody will ever develop virus/malware for webos? How can you be so sure?

Have you ever seen your touchpad displaying this message?
"Touchinput recording, press sym+opt+w to stop"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantaffordit

no reason to have antivirus software for webOS

howi · 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluenote

Shows that "nothing is free", while people think they are getting this free Android software on their phone, no one put to the consumer directly--would you hand over your information in exchange for this (free) software?

bluenote,

You may have missed a few things...

1. Carrier IQ software is not installed by end-users but rather embedded in the various manufacturers firmware specific for the U.S. carriers. Only U.S. carrier subscribers have found to be targeted. Verizon has denied any use of Carrier IQ software.

2. Google has not implemented the Carrier IQ software in the vanilla Android and it has not been the case with those "reference" devices directly partnered with Google e.g. Nexus One, Nexus S, Motorola Xoom, Galaxy Nexus.

3. Carrier IQ references have also been discovered in Apple iOS (verified http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...1284749&page=2 ), Nokia Symbian (denied http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/1/26...sed-carrier-iq ) and BlackBerry OS (denied http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7B01PA20111201 )according to TrevE.

4. There are no up front opt-in / opt-out opportunities, no straight-forward uninstall mechanism is available as described by TrevE and others.

Of course, by offering an opt-out for collecting our usage patterns and data, many will protect the privacy rather.

codecrumb · 12/01/2011, 12:49 AM

I did a quick scan through the webOS tarball for the Pre3 and did not find anything. Just to be sure, I have updated the Max Blocker patch to block any traffic to carrieriq.com

That said, Palm logs an ENORMOUS amount of information which is uploaded to palm.com which is yet another good reason why you should install the following

- Muffle
- EOM

thomaz · 10:53 AM

Millions of Smartphones and Tablets have a Rootkit Spyware Software called CarrierIQ installed.

Of course its a good question if WebOS Devices are also affected.

If yes it would be fantastic if some experienced user can make a patch to eliminate this Spyware.

CarrierIQ | Android Security Test
the site is under heavy load so try again and again and ...

thomaz · 12/01/2011, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Sorry I don't understand, is there CIQ logging on webOS or no ? Or nobody knows?

so where is a CLEAR ANSWER to this question ?

and if yes how can i disable it ?

thomaz · 12/01/2011, 11:24 AM

yeahh but there is no clear answer

bhern · 02:13 PM

There is no carrierIQ in webOS

Rnp · 12/01/2011, 12:43 PM

Quadrant before disable CarrieIQ in one Android here: 3427.
Quadrant after disable CarrieIQ in same Android here: 4593.

Finally, discovered the #*5647# on Androids...

Best Regards...

p41m3r · 12/02/2011, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomaz

so where is a CLEAR ANSWER to this question ?

Frustrating! If the answer is no, as Palm stated, then why would Coward misrepresent web OS devices in the video (1:05 - 1:10)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rnp

Finally, discovered the #*5647# on Androids...

Thats it? Would something at this (presumably) low level be this easily bypassed?

11/27/2011, 06:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
hptuser Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 12 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	CarrierIQ (CIQ) and such "rootkits" on HP Touchpad ? Has anybody looked to see if the HP Touchpad too has CarrierIQ or such "rootkits" pre-installed ? The Rootkit Of All Evil – CIQ \| xda-developers BTW, homebrew Impostah seems to make available a lot of system info etc. How does one make the best use of Impostah ? Also, is there anti-virus / anti-malware apps available for TP? Thanks.
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cmcrae1 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 8 Likes Received: 6 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Look at Carrier IQ Info Video - YouTube (@ 1:05 minutes).....would appear that it is on our devices too.
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antijingoist Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: North East Posts: 125 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 27 Thanked 23 Times in 14 Posts	RT @Korey_Nicholson: @webosinternals @hp @webosdev @verge They are a client yes. I'm the one who conducted the interview with Andrew Coward __________________ Apps: Junk Silver, Junk Exchange Projects: Distress Signal
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bluenote Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,220 Likes Received: 306 Thanks: 391 Thanked 579 Times in 357 Posts	for webOS? Or for their windows tablets? wow: video shows TouchPad and two phones: Pre3 and Pre2? And HP technical support still had alot of trouble fixing my TouchPad. The video says the consumer has to opt-in. Where is the opt-in for webOS? Is it in the Palm agreement or the app catalogue agreement? Last edited by bluenote; 11/29/2011 at 09:42 PM.
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panel Homebrew Developer Join Date: May 2011 Location: Slovakia Posts: 297 Likes Received: 40 Thanks: 31 Thanked 92 Times in 44 Posts	Sorry I don't understand, is there CIQ logging on webOS or no ? Or nobody knows? __________________ If you like my applications (SynoMusic, SynoDM, SynoFM) and want to donate for future upgrades and development
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codecrumb Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 282 Likes Received: 84 Thanks: 26 Thanked 187 Times in 40 Posts	I did a quick scan through the webOS tarball for the Pre3 and did not find anything. Just to be sure, I have updated the Max Blocker patch to block any traffic to carrieriq.com That said, Palm logs an ENORMOUS amount of information which is uploaded to palm.com which is yet another good reason why you should install the following - Muffle - EOM __________________ Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/warthogkernel Experimental warthog kernels for webOS devices. Patches such as Muffle System Logging, Max Blocker etc. Donations go towards further experimentation.
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thomaz Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 107 Likes Received: 9 Thanks: 7 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Does WebOS have CarrierIQ Rootkit installed ? Millions of Smartphones and Tablets have a Rootkit Spyware Software called CarrierIQ installed. Of course its a good question if WebOS Devices are also affected. If yes it would be fantastic if some experienced user can make a patch to eliminate this Spyware. CarrierIQ \| Android Security Test the site is under heavy load so try again and again and ... Last edited by thomaz; 12/01/2011 at 10:53 AM.
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Rnp Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil (Oh, Yeis!!!) Posts: 714 Likes Received: 75 Thanks: 857 Thanked 43 Times in 36 Posts	Quadrant before disable CarrieIQ in one Android here: 3427. Quadrant after disable CarrieIQ in same Android here: 4593. Finally, discovered the #5647# on Androids... Best Regards... __________________ [b]"Evolution History... Or Not!"* Basic Math: Pre + Pre - Pre 2 ≠ Pre³ :-\
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