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    With all the toilet papers lying around my house now, my bandwidth skyrocketed on my old linksys wrt54g. On my network i created i have my pc, bro pc, sisters laptops (1 ea), sisters pc, wii, 5 TPs, and everyones phones all locked on my wifi, oh and i let me neighbor use it too(big family, i converted them all into webOS lovers - or atleast im trying too).

    When everones home the bandwidth shoots up and we lag each other up. Can anyone recommend a decent router? i was looking at a 300mbs linksys vallet for like $60. we have 2 wired ethernets, rest is all on my wifi. I would like to stick with linksys. My internet speed is from wow cable, i get about 12-15 mbs dl, 1mbs ul.

    im sur ei dont need anything this extreme Micro Center - LinkSys Wireless-N Gigabit Security Router with VPN WRVS4400N but it has top data transferrates. And great distance, have thick walls and insulation throughout the house, sisters room in basement loose connection alot.

    any networkin specialist able to give their input?
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    You don't need a new router, you need less traffic on your WiFi channel. Kick the neighbors off and/or add a WAP somewhere else in the house.

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    netgear n600 is pretty legit. You get gigabit lan ports and n+ coverage with dual band. My cable internet is from comcast and I get 22mb dl and 4mb ul. My touchpad connects to the 5ghz signal allowing it to play hd movies with no stutter and my other wireless devices connect to the 2.4ghz signal. I don't use this part since I have a nas but you can attach a usb hdd to it and connect to it remotely, similar to a NAS. You can pick it up for around 100.


    Oh and if your router has QoS (quality of service) enable it. If not the router I suggested above has it. What it does is prioritize the connection of any device that is connected to the network. So say your dl on your computer and playing box live. The router will give less bandwidth to the pc and more to the box so you do experience any lag... Something to keep it mind.
    Last edited by Stevesrjr86; 09/27/2011 at 08:17 AM.
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    before ditching your old router, see if dd-wrt will work on it.
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    What model of WRT54G do you have? You might be able to load the Tomato firmware on it and use it's QOS to help manage available bandwidth. OR... The last few home routers I bought are refurbished and have worked fine for me. For example right now you can get a refurbished E2500 Wireless-N Dual Band Router Cisco Home Products Store right now for $39.99 with free shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasflood View Post
    What model of WRT54G do you have? You might be able to load the Tomato firmware on it and use it's QOS to help manage available bandwidth. OR... The last few home routers I bought are refurbished and have worked fine for me. For example right now you can get a refurbished E2500 Wireless-N Dual Band Router Cisco Home Products Store right now for $39.99 with free shipping.
    ill take a look at refurbished, i dont want to spend to much $$$. I have WRT54G V8 (w/latest firmware) I am not sure i want to limit the bandwidth, everyone is a heavy data user, i dont want to put a restriction on someone just so i can use it, want everyone to use it freely. Is there another way without limiting everyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by SebastianLee View Post
    before ditching your old router, see if dd-wrt will work on it.
    i tried lookin it up, arent i hardware limited? My transfer rates are based on what the router can traffic and send through?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevesrjr86 View Post
    I don't use this part since I have a nas but you can attach a usb hdd to it and connect to it remotely, similar to a NAS. You can pick it up for around 100.
    nas as in the outside storage, how exactly would that work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Syndil View Post
    You don't need a new router, you need less traffic on your WiFi channel. Kick the neighbors off and/or add a WAP somewhere else in the house.

    -- Sent from my HP TouchPad using Communities
    its only 1 neighbor, she's an older lady, close friend, couldnt stand her paying for dial up. as for everyone else, they need internet too =D


    -I appreciate the feedback so far, im still not sure on what i should do.
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    OK you have one of two issues happening, or possibly both.

    The first issue is the bandwidth provided by your ISP. If that bandwidth is being used at it's maximum capacity (maxxed out), then there is nothing you can do to alleviate the problem other than buy more bandwidth from your ISP. If someone is downloading or uploading movies, for example, that is likely to max out your bandwidth, causing problems for everyone. If even your wired connections seem slow when you are having the problem, then maxxed out bandwidth is probably your issue. If this is the case, then find out who is down/uploading movies, smack them and tell them to stop... or pay your ISP more per month for more bandwidth, or implement QoS. Buying a new router won't give you more bandwidth.

    The other problem that could be occurring is too many wireless devices on one channel. If your wired devices run fine when the wireless devices are bogging down, then that would indicate that this is the more likely situation. Note that it doesn't matter if a wireless connection is using bandwidth. If the connection is established, it's on the channel.

    In this scenario, you can either A) eliminate some wireless connections entirely (kick your neighbor off) , B) move some of your wireless devices over to wired connections, or C) provide more than one wireless access point for your wireless devices to connect to and split them up. The best way to do this is by wiring a WAP to your router and placing it somewhere else in the house, but you can also do this with a wireless range extender.

    IF you have some WiFi N devices, you might also be able to alleviate the problem by purchasing a router with dual-band capability that can provide both 2.4 GHz (g,b,n) and 5 GHz (n) connections simultaneously. The Linksys Valet you mentioned earlier, however, cannot do this as it only provides 2.4 GHz connections. If you want dual-band capability from a Linksys, you'll need an E-2500, E-3000 or E-4200.

    And since you're not likely to have enough N devices to make this solution workable, I'd say your best bet is to go with a wired WAP, or if you're lazy, a wireless range extender.
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    Unless there is actually a problem with your router's firmware, the plain and simple truth is that there is nothing wrong with it. The problem is the amount of bandwidth from the ISP. Even if that router is only capable of 802.11b that means it can still handle 11 mb per second and you probably aren't sustaining that from the outside.

    If it is a g router, you are getting 54mbps and that is over 3 times what your outside bandwidth is. Unless you are maxing that router out by xferring files between machines, or the router itself is having issues, it isn't your problem.
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    i just got an ASUS RT-N56U. i love it, but it cost $109 though :P
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    Get a Belkin N750 DB Wireless Dual-Band N+ Router. It costs $129 on their website, but use code "FB50" without quotations and you will get half off! As a matter of fact, the code will work for everything in their online store! I think the code expires sometime this week.

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    I bought this one last Fall and have had no problems with it, can't beat this price $59.99
    Netgear WNDR3700

    When i'm at the far end of the house (~60 ft from router) my devices will fall back to the 2.4GHz network, when I'm nearby they'll connect to the 5GHz network. It has an additional guest network I can enable when someone visits.

    good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by provost View Post
    Unless there is actually a problem with your router's firmware, the plain and simple truth is that there is nothing wrong with it. The problem is the amount of bandwidth from the ISP. Even if that router is only capable of 802.11b that means it can still handle 11 mb per second and you probably aren't sustaining that from the outside.

    If it is a g router, you are getting 54mbps and that is over 3 times what your outside bandwidth is. Unless you are maxing that router out by xferring files between machines, or the router itself is having issues, it isn't your problem.
    I have to keep reminding myself about this math - and remember that it's content from the server that is being delivered to the mobile devices and hard-wired devices faster, not stuff from the outside. It's good to be reminded of it again!
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    I would add another wireless access point (WAP). You do not need to buy a specific WAP you can use a router/access point which are everywhere cheap. Just disable all features on the 2nd unit except WAP. You could set up different SSID's between the two access points.

    If your load is overall heavy the bottleneck may be your bandwith from your ISP.

    Just my $0.02
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    Quote Originally Posted by h2o826 View Post
    ill take a look at refurbished, i dont want to spend to much $$$. I have WRT54G V8 (w/latest firmware) I am not sure i want to limit the bandwidth, everyone is a heavy data user, i dont want to put a restriction on someone just so i can use it, want everyone to use it freely. Is there another way without limiting everyone?
    Quote Originally Posted by SebastianLee View Post
    before ditching your old router, see if dd-wrt will work on it.
    i tried lookin it up, arent i hardware limited? My transfer rates are based on what the router can traffic and send through?
    You are hardware limited but very often the biggest limit at your Internet connection. If that's a bigger bottleneck than the wifi router then using QOS to manage the available bandwidth might be the way to go. For example if you have a cable modem running 10Mbps half duplex, a WRT54G as old as it is still isn't going to be your bottleneck. You can't run my favorite firmware Tomato on a WRT54Gv8. I think you can run dd-wrt but IIRC only the micro version with is pretty limited by comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by h2o826 View Post
    ill take a look at refurbished, i dont want to spend to much $$$.
    I've had good luck with refurbished so far, knock on wood. I know that I used the E2500 as an example of a good deal, and it is for the hardware. But after I posted it here, I checked the TomatoUSB Compatibility / Build Types and see it's not yet supported. It likely will be at some point as the hardware looks like Tomato should run on it. Tomato is much more limited with hardware it will work on it than DD-WRT so you have to be careful if you want to use it. I personally would probably try to buy something that is supported now or might be a while before you can take advantage of it. Tomato has a plethora of great features, a great QOS is among the best of those features. If you're in the same boat as many, the outgoing bandwidth might be much less than incoming and can get jammed up if you don't use QOS to assure fairness. Often really doesn't matter how much incoming bandwidth you have if outgoing handshakes can't get out.
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    I've played with custom firmware before, and I don't see the point. I put DD-WRT on a Linksys WRT54GL in order to add the OpenVPN support only to discover that the hardware in the router was so underpowered that my VPN bandwidth was limited to 300 kbps over a single connection. Replaced it with a Netgear FVS336G VPN router and, hey presto, decent VPN performance. Imagine that.

    Better to buy a router already has the features you are looking for built in, IMO. QoS is not that uncommon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndil View Post
    I've played with custom firmware before, and I don't see the point. I put DD-WRT on a Linksys WRT54GL in order to add the OpenVPN support only to discover that the hardware in the router was so underpowered that my VPN bandwidth was limited to 300 kbps over a single connection. Replaced it with a Netgear FVS336G VPN router and, hey presto, decent VPN performance. Imagine that.

    Better to buy a router already has the features you are looking for built in, IMO. QoS is not that uncommon.
    Well there are a plethora of features that 3rd party firmware adds, VPN is just one and yes especially older routers can have problems supporting the processor requirements of VPN. Sure ideally buying a router that does all you want is a great idea but if you already have one or looking to save some money, I think 3rd party firmware is a great idea. I originally was attracted to 3rd party firmware for the ability to assign static IP addresses but when it wasn't so common, and enhanced WDS functionality. Here is a list of Tomato features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndil View Post
    OK you have one of two issues happening, or possibly both.

    The first issue is the bandwidth provided by your ISP. If that bandwidth is being used at it's maximum capacity (maxxed out), then there is nothing you can do to alleviate the problem other than buy more bandwidth from your ISP
    In this scenario, you can either A) eliminate some wireless connections entirely (kick your neighbor off)
    Thanks so far all the advice and tips, i will probably run a wap, i have an old switch i can use. But how do i check the bandwidth my ISP supplies? Still looking into the different custom firmwares as well, adding QoS will help or having a dual band router.

    its only my one neighbor! you guys are so intent on booting her. i guess i can kick my bros and sisters off my network if i got important work to do, but my neighbor hardly uses her pc, when she does she just checks her mail, and views photos of her grandkids and family. I cant kick her off, att was overcharging her for dial-up lol. Shes like my grandma

    for the higher data transfer rates on the routers, for ex. 300mbs is only from pc to pc, or tp to pc, just locally on my network, that doesn't effect my tp to my internet correct? Would that also effect if i were to run two high end PC games on my two household computers? (example, running sc2 on both with minimal lag)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by h2o826 View Post
    But how do i check the bandwidth my ISP supplies?
    typically when you sign up for service you have a clear notification of what type of bandwidth they are selling you :P
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    QoS will help with the bandwidth you already have, but adding more is always good. Also make sure to use a channel other routers in the area are not all stuck on, or go for the clearest one.
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