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Old 12/03/2012, 11:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I checked the docs, and searched the forum, but was unable to locate an answer: in the Netherlands, the government is rolling out an alerting services using SMS Cell Broadcasting, aka a cell/antenna would broadcast an SMS to all devices in it's vicinity. Looking at the instructions for other devices at NL Alert | Nederland Veilig (sorry, available in Dutch only) it works in some devices, as an SMS subscription to a channel, and some devices need to get a software update to be able to receive the messages.

Anyone nay idea if the hardware in the Pre3 supports this function, and what sw migh be required to enable it (if not available, yet)?

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Old 12/03/2012, 11:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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All I can say is, if it requires additional software, don't count on ever getting it.
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Old 12/03/2012, 12:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have been looking for this too, for exactly the same reason. I live in the same country as the TopicStarter.
I didn't find anything yet, but if there's a way to get this working I'd like to know how.

I found something on the Crackberry website: http://crackberry.com/emergency-broa...ages-explained
and this topic on the forums: http://forums.webosnation.com/off-to...ellphones.html

No idea if WebOS and/or the Pre3 support this.

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Old 12/03/2012, 12:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Interesting idea and a very good question...

I can't find the Cell Broadcasting settings either. They may not be in webOS???
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Old 12/03/2012, 01:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Since it's GSM standard, I wonder if it was going to be part of the SIM toolkit (that does nothing on my ATT Pre3)
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Since it's GSM standard, I wonder if it was going to be part of the SIM toolkit (that does nothing on my ATT Pre3)
On Straight Talk, SIM Toolkit tells me "Either there are no SIM services provided by your mobile operator, or there was an error talking to your SIM."

That might be one place to look.

It isn't in Device Info > Settings or Messaging > Add Account. I tried poking around on the site the OP linked and looking at various phones and how they get set up. I could not find the equivalent on Veer. Nor could I make any headway searching Google or this forum.
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Nah, cell broadcast isn't in the SIM Toolkit. It is part of the GSM spec, and it potentially implemented. I am not sure where. Might have to dig for it in the TIL.
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Old 12/03/2012, 04:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
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what is the SIM Toolkit for? Just curious cuz even on ATT with an ATT Pre3, it does nothing.
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what is the SIM Toolkit for? Just curious cuz even on ATT with an ATT Pre3, it does nothing.
It is a feature in GSM where you can create mini-apps on the SIM card. You can use it to expose balance menus, or create SIM card based utilities, such as the Weaver NFC SIM card by BLADOX (BLADOX - Products).

The SIM card has to have a menu in it for the Toolkit app to be of any use. As far as I know, no U.S. based operators use this.
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Ahhh Thank you sir!
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Nah, cell broadcast isn't in the SIM Toolkit. It is part of the GSM spec, and it potentially implemented. I am not sure where. Might have to dig for it in the TIL.
There are a -lot- of messaging things built into the messaging app that I've never seen actually used in any service .. wouldn't surprise me if it's supported.
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Old 12/03/2012, 05:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't know why I am even following this thread, if we ever adopt it in America my Pre3 will long have been put aside as a keepsake by then.
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Tnx all for confirming that (out-of-the-box) this very nice feature does not seem to be able to run on the webOS phones.

Now hoping for someone to spot an option for an easy plug-in to the Messaging app ...
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There are a -lot- of messaging things built into the messaging app that I've never seen actually used in any service .. wouldn't surprise me if it's supported.
I can't find cell broadcasting options in Messaging App... Doesn't mean it isn't in there. I just haven't seen it.


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I don't know why I am even following this thread, if we ever adopt it in America my Pre3 will long have been put aside as a keepsake by then.
Same as me most likely. You are following the thread because it is a "new" and interesting problem. Personally I don't like not knowing...


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Tnx all for confirming that (out-of-the-box) this very nice feature does not seem to be able to run on the webOS phones.

Now hoping for someone to spot an option for an easy plug-in to the Messaging app ...
It might take some time. I'm still poking around looking for the answer. Quite possibly it is a "hidden feature" that could be brought forward with more investigation.
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Same as me most likely. You are following the thread because it is a "new" and interesting problem. Personally I don't like not knowing...
LOL good point, I just get frustrated when there is all this great tech out there and we are so slow to adopt. CDMA and lack of carrier competition doesn't help this, but we still struggle so much with moving the ball down the field in the tech sector.
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It appears someone is working on this: https://github.com/c4milo/ofono/blob...adcast-api.txt
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I can't find cell broadcasting options in Messaging App... Doesn't mean it isn't in there. I just haven't seen it.
One of the things that I found interesting while looking through either the messaging app, or the services involved with messaging, is that there's actually a SMS command to recall and replace messages after the fact. I don't think I've ever heard of it actually being implemented by anyone anywhere, but there was at least mention of it in the webOS code.
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Old 12/05/2012, 02:37 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Cell broadcasting should be under network options, more as a part of phone app than sms app and services. Anyway, if I recall correctly, Palm OS also didn't support cell broadcasting.
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Old 12/05/2012, 04:09 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I have found that webos 2.x handles SIM Application toolkit remarkably well. It also handles the USSD responses properly although many smartphones don't. I haven't used it on a carrier that uses Cell Broadcast but I would hope it implements that GSM standard properly. Wish I had thought to ask this question when the webos devices were still supported.
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Old 12/23/2012, 05:37 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm going to poke around for this. Looks like the FCC is starting to push implementing this technology with carriers for broadcasting emergency alerts. (I know it is cell broadcast for GSM. Dunno what CDMA technology exists.) It'd be cool to have.
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