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    Quote Originally Posted by LCGuy View Post
    So, I recieved my ATT Pre 3 from eBay Friday. It was unlocked, and brand new, and, I have to tell you, I was really looking forward to it, despite that fact that I won't be using it on ATT (so, no 3G).

    When I opened the box and took the phone out, it felt solid, just like I have heard from many people here. I looked all around the phone and the lines and seams just appeared to be designed to be understated, so that the form and shape of the phone was accentuated.

    I do NOT like how we have to remove the back cover to get to the SIM card and battery. Its very unintuitive and risks damaging the phone, due to the fact that the hardware buttons are cut out through the back cover...

    Sliding the keyboard out was easy, but firm.. no play anywhere, except a slight bit at the end.. not enough to say it was a defect, though. It slid open solidly and closed just as well.

    After I initialized it and got my WebOS profile moved over with all of my applications and preferences, I played with it for a while. Here are my impressions:

    The screen really is quite elegant. The black bezel really helps bring out the colors that this display has, and, it is very fine.. no pixelation, bleeding, or inconsistant spots. Very slick.

    The bigger screen and overall larger device siize is a huge difference from the Pre, however, it doesnt feel so much bigger in my hand.. pehaps thats because I was using the GRT case for my Pre+, which adds width, length and depth to that similar to the Pre 3.

    Scrolling the apps was silk smooth, as was swiping cards. At this point, I hadnt installed Preware, Uberkernal (beta only) or Govnah, so, the kernal and CPU speed is the stock one, and it felt pretty good, responsive and there was no lag whatsoever for me once it was going, but, there was some slight lag on start up, screen on, or initial use after being idle for a while. I think this is due to low CPU settings for the Minimum speed.. more on that later.

    EDGE is really fast on the Pre 3 (I dont get 3g because Im on T-Mobile); I think the Pre 3 2G radios and antennaes are upgraded somehow, because, Im getting more bars with improved speeds on 2G in places where I didnt before. Wifi is terrific, also, just as it was on the Pre+.

    I brought my music over from my PC - about 200 songs, and fueled up the music app and played them through the back speaker, and, I have to tell you, this does sound very, very good for a smartphone. Placing it on a hard surface really lets the sound reflect back up clearly, and, I can definitely see putting this on the touchstone and letting the songs just shuffle along all day while I work.

    I plugged the headset in and that's where the real sound quality came through. If you have a halfway decent headset, you know by now that the sound is unsurpassed.. I've heard sound on many smartphones, but, this is superb. Truly.

    The camera works quite well, too. Autofocus works as advertised.. and you can manually reset the focal point by thouch the screen in the area that you want focused. Really cool. Picture quality is just fine for a smartphone.. the flash works well, too. I havent tried video, yet, though.

    One thing that has always bothered me, though, is while the 5 megapizwl size is nice, Id really like to be able to take pictures and videos at lower sizes. There are times when I just don't need such large images and pictures. Maybe one of the homebrew guys can whip up a patch for this.

    I used QuickInstall to install PreWare, and downloaded Govnah, so I could see what the minimum setting for the CPU is, and, it was 146 mhz. I reset it to 746 - thats about 50% of the max., and created my own profile for it and saved it. With that profile, there is no more initial lag. Perfect.

    Next, I decided to see how many application I could open sumultaneously, before an obvious performance problem.

    I went to the main app menu and started opening applications and running them, in order. The only one I didnt get to open was video, as I had none, but everything else was not just opened but actively running when I minimized it and started a new application.

    I got up to 34 applications, and thats when the music player stopped playing in the background and the 35th application wouldnt open. I swiped up, and was still able to scroll cards left and right very smoothly, but, some apps would open, or would just hang.

    Now, remember, there was no Uberkernal installed to enable compcache for the TMC issues - this is the stock Pre 3 kernal, so, once Uberkernal comes out of the beta feeds and into the PreWare world, this might improve from there.

    Battery usage appears to be about 12%/hour, with moderate use. No battery drain while on the TS, where I keep it all day.

    Speaking of the TS, you have to seat it properly to get a good hold. The magnets do feel less powerful on this, for sure, but, it works just fine on the TS, and charges just like the old Pre+ did.

    So, in the end, I'm really happy with it. Im not envious of those with an iAnything, Mango, or Android device; Ive played with them all, at length, and evenn set a few up with family and friends, and they are fine pieces of hardware, but, they just don't work the way I need and want them to, and that's the bottom line for me.

    The Pre 3 hadware really is a step up; its not perfect, but, if Palm had released the original Pre with hardware that was built to this grade, I believe, strongly, that it would have been a huge hit, initially, which would have brought them enough revenue through huge sales to take off and develop the OS as needed to be a true ecosystem that everyone would know about, and respect.

    So, unless something crazy happens over the next few days, this is my smartphone for the next 1 - 2 years.

    I hope the homebrew community stays strong and continues to provide thier efforts to us all through all of our financial support for them, so that I can customize and modify my Pre 3 as I need to, throughout that time; whatever happens to HP, Palm, WebOS in that time will be something I watch, but not worry about; by the time I think about my next phone, everything will be different not just in the tech world, but in my life, as well, and I'll certainly have tons more to evaluate to that end.

    If I think of anythng more, I'll post it, but, I wanted to get this out there for those of you who are on the fence about buying this or not - for me, it was a no brainer positive move.

    @LCGuy
    I find your post quite encouraging, particularly since you are able to open 34 apps. My experience has been radically completely different with regards to the number of apps I can open at the same time. I can barely get 14 apps to open at the same time. For instance, having the music app, facebook, twitter (spaz), email, messaging, memo, tasks, calendar, Super Jump and two full websites (yahoo and nyt) almost always results in the "Too Many Cards" error.

    I should note that I have the AT&T HP Pre 3 variety... with the Uberkernel installed.

    Any thoughts on why I am still plagued with the "Too Many Cards" issue... and what apps where you able to open at the same time. Did those include any PDK apps? Also what variety of the HP Pre 3 do you have?
  2.    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by DumbPreCommenter View Post
    @LCGuy
    I find your post quite encouraging, particularly since you are able to open 34 apps. My experience has been radically completely different with regards to the number of apps I can open at the same time. I can barely get 14 apps to open at the same time. For instance, having the music app, facebook, twitter (spaz), email, messaging, memo, tasks, calendar, Super Jump and two full websites (yahoo and nyt) almost always results in the "Too Many Cards" error.

    I should note that I have the AT&T HP Pre 3 variety... with the Uberkernel installed.

    Any thoughts on why I am still plagued with the "Too Many Cards" issue... and what apps where you able to open at the same time. Did those include any PDK apps? Also what variety of the HP Pre 3 do you have?
    Hi;

    I have the ATT pre 3, with 2.2.3 on it.

    My 34 card opening was done after a fresh reboot. I went to my applications page and started opening apps in the order that the icons appeared there. When possible, I made sure the app was running or doing something.. like the music player was playing music, or, a solitair game had a new game open, etc..

    I did NOT have Uberkernal installed when I did this 2 weeks ago, and now that I have it, Ive been meaning to test it again, so, I just did it again, (no freesh boot, though), and I got 30 cards to open simultaneously, before th emusic stopped playing n the music player and performance took a hit.

    Some of the apps I opened were games like Quell, or solitaire, other were apps like a stop clock. I had one web page open, the camera app open, and ATT Navigator open with GPS enabled.

    "The more I learn, the more I realize just how little I really do know!" -Albert Einstein

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    #23  
    I just got this phone the other day and I have to say I can't believe HP cancelled it. This could have been a serious contender (with the right marketing and backing of course), at least hardware wise (software wise too, but the software is pretty much the same as in other phones like Pre 2 and Veer so I won't comment on that or go into that aspect).

    It is sleek in all the right ways, nicer than a lot of Android phones, and does not feel cheap at all. Its made of plastic, but doesn't feel plastic. Feels better than a lot of Samsung phones, and is easily in line with HTC in terms of build quality. The slider has absolutely zero oreo effect, its actually shocking. It literally does not wiggle at all and feels more solid than many candybar phones. Honestly, I don't know who was in charge of product release timing over there, but if this had come out back in May or whatever, I think webOS might still have had a chance.

    And the best part, it is still decidedly a Pre (which makes it unique and different, but in a good way), but at the same time in a league all its own compared to the old devices, including the Pre 2 (which I feel is a really good phone in its own right). Its really sad that it never got the spotlight like it deserved, as I challenge anyone who picks it up and plays with it to not be impressed at the quality of device HP put out. Maybe they really did have it in them to build quality devices? I don't know why the Touchpad didn't live up to this level of quality and feel, but the Pre 3 is a real winner. I'd recommend it in a heartbeat.
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  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by LCGuy View Post
    Hi;

    I have the ATT pre 3, with 2.2.3 on it.

    My 34 card opening was done after a fresh reboot. I went to my applications page and started opening apps in the order that the icons appeared there. When possible, I made sure the app was running or doing something.. like the music player was playing music, or, a solitair game had a new game open, etc..

    I did NOT have Uberkernal installed when I did this 2 weeks ago, and now that I have it, Ive been meaning to test it again, so, I just did it again, (no freesh boot, though), and I got 30 cards to open simultaneously, before th emusic stopped playing n the music player and performance took a hit.

    Some of the apps I opened were games like Quell, or solitaire, other were apps like a stop clock. I had one web page open, the camera app open, and ATT Navigator open with GPS enabled.

    Ok... 26 cards before the message (actually, the message didn't show but the music stopped and the phone became unusable). This was with UberKernel... so things are looking much better.

    Now, if only pushing the gesture area with the slider open would stop rocking the screen. I guess that's for another thread!

    Thanks!
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by DumbPreCommenter View Post
    Ok... 26 cards before the message (actually, the message didn't show but the music stopped and the phone became unusable). This was with UberKernel... so things are looking much better.

    Now, if only pushing the gesture area with the slider open would stop rocking the screen. I guess that's for another thread!

    Thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by DumbPreCommenter View Post
    Ok... 26 cards before the message (actually, the message didn't show but the music stopped and the phone became unusable). This was with UberKernel... so things are looking much better.

    Now, if only pushing the gesture area with the slider open would stop rocking the screen. I guess that's for another thread!

    Thanks!
    Explain what you mean by "pushing the gesture area rocking the screen" please. My Pre3 is solid as can be.

    The Pre3 cannot hold a candle to the Pre2 for number of apps. I had over 65 cards open on my Pre2 before I got tired of opening up apps, music still playing, PDK games ready to go upon bringing those cards forward. That was with no uberkernel.

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre3 using Forums
  6. #26  
    That's cause the Pre 3 has 120MB less RAM than the Pre 2.

    -- Rod
  7. #27  
    After OS is loaded Pre 3 has less available ram than Pre 2 or Pre plus even though the total RAM on all 3 phones is the same i.e. 512 MB. I believe this is due to newer OS requiring more RAM.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by sapient2k7 View Post
    After OS is loaded Pre 3 has less available ram than Pre 2 or Pre plus even though the total RAM on all 3 phones is the same i.e. 512 MB. I believe this is due to newer OS requiring more RAM.
    Often times if there's less RAM available to the OS it means that the graphics device has been allocated much of the rest. I suspect that is the case here and that it was allocated 128MB.
  9. #29  
    I really wish the OS got optimized and that the GPU was fully utilized to make a smooth UI. The 4S still has 512MB RAM and the processor is underclocked to 800MHz and is smooth as butter. But I won't have one.

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre3 using Forums
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  10. #30  
    Why are we worrying about whether the limit to the number of apps open at the same time is 14 or 34?

    Except for fun little tests like this - is anybody actually planning to have more than 3-5 apps open *ever*?
    If we make up an extreme scenario we might come up with a combination of - say - 10 apps open at the same time and still making some sense.

    Iphone couldn't open a second one even if it had 4 GB or RAM.

    I fail to see the problem here.
    Pre -> Pre3 & TP32 -> Nexus 5
  11.    #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by tholap View Post
    Why are we worrying about whether the limit to the number of apps open at the same time is 14 or 34?

    Except for fun little tests like this - is anybody actually planning to have more than 3-5 apps open *ever*?
    If we make up an extreme scenario we might come up with a combination of - say - 10 apps open at the same time and still making some sense.

    Iphone couldn't open a second one even if it had 4 GB or RAM.

    I fail to see the problem here.
    Yes, precisely.

    I mentioned this in my OP and later updated it after installing UberKernal just for informational purposes to show that the device is STILL the multitasking master of all mobile OS's it has alwasy been.

    I think, at most, I made use of 12 apps at once on my Pre+, and, so far, on my Pre 3, I have gone to 5; I'm sure that there will be another instance where I will be doing 4 or 5 different tasks that will require mutiple apps open simultaneously, and I will approach or exceed the 12 ....

    And WebOS will not hiccup, or balk, or die during that time, as it will be nowhere near its full capacity on the Pre 3... that's a key feature, isn't it?

    For those reading this thread for the first time, and maybe still on the fence about buying a Pre 3, go to my OP and scan through it, for an honest accounting; I promise, there are no skewed/slanted or biased comments... for me, this really is such a great fit, DESPITE my not being able to get 3G on it because Im on T-Mobile USA; I think that says alot.

    And, please, PLEASE, support the Homebrew community with a contribution. Even $1 or $5 can make a difference, and if you have bought a Pre 3, Pre 2, a Veer, a TouchPad, or have an original Pre or Pixi, this is the bebest way to prolong the life and quality of user experience for those devices, regardless of who owns WebOS!!!
    "The more I learn, the more I realize just how little I really do know!" -Albert Einstein

  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by sapient2k7 View Post
    After OS is loaded Pre 3 has less available ram than Pre 2 or Pre plus even though the total RAM on all 3 phones is the same i.e. 512 MB. I believe this is due to newer OS requiring more RAM.
    Before the OS is loaded, it has less RAM. It has nothing to do with the OS version. It is due to the single chip cellular modem architecture (same as the Pixi). The Pre 2 has a separate modem chip with it's own separate RAM chip. The Pre 3 does not.

    -- Rod
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by timepants View Post
    Often times if there's less RAM available to the OS it means that the graphics device has been allocated much of the rest. I suspect that is the case here and that it was allocated 128MB.
    It's the single chip modem architecture, nothing to do with graphics.

    -- Rod
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