08/16/2011, 06:03 PM
This gentleman's Pre3 is in the mail. Mid-August is even less than two months from the TouchPad launch, isn't it?
Originally Posted by Mikey47
Would you agree that the pace at which the Veer, TouchPad and Pre3 have been released matches the pace that HP have stated they would release devices at?
Would you agree that mid-august is summer?
So what was the huge hullaballoo about again? HP missing deadlines, HP being incapable of delivering stuff when they said they would?
I realize that everybody's world-view is always a bit centered around where they live, and that if you're from a place with a long-standing tradition of deep national pride and patriotism, you may feel slighted if your country is not, in fact, #1 at getting stuff.
Originally Posted by Mikey47
I'm not entirely sure whether to feel sorry or smug.
As to why they're not releasing the Pre3 in the US - good question. If I'm to hazard a guess, I'd say they're giving Europe unlocked phones now and will, over the course of the next few weeks, start launching them on Carriers across markets, including the US.
Would you agree that holding back a carrier announcement until very, VERY shortly before the carrier will ship the product and show it in stures would meet the popular demand that HP not leave so much time between announcements and availability?
Go check out a Veer. Then check out a HTC G2 (Desire Z?). Start a few apps. Scroll around. Perhaps run a game.
Originally Posted by clevin
The Veer is quicker and smoother, and they both have the exact same processor.
Also, you're comparing apples to oranges by comparing off-contract and on-contract prices. We also have contracts in Europe, and since the Pre3 is €350, it should run just about €150 or less on contract... but on-contract prices can go way higher than €200.
Are ALL phones $200 on-contract in the US?
Quite right, the vast majority does go through carriers, and Germans at least (as joschi says - generalizing Europeans doesn't work because you have discrete cultures and mindsets in different countries. Europe isn't homogenous like the US at all) for the most part follow the pattern you describe.
Originally Posted by CGK
But on the whole, most don't have any loyalty or attachment to carriers whatsoever; people stay on a carrier they're already on if their price continues to be right because they're too lazy to fix what's not broken. The moment they find something about another carrier that they like better, they're outta there.
I'm given to think that Americans are much more tightly connected, as it were, to their cellphone carriers than Germans are. (Again, I can't speak for the rest of Europe.)
On that note, I understand that Orange is carrying the Pre3 in the UK and I believe there has been word some time ago that T-Mobile would be carrying it in Germany.
Right now we're seeing the 'soft launch' for the Pre3 as you can buy them off-contract from various sources.
I believe we'll see a harder launch for it in a week or two, very similar to how they handled the TouchPad. A pattern emerges.
I doubt that it'll be a super-hard push though because as much as some people would like to believe that the Pre3 is a hero device, it is not. It's an excellent business-class device with some good entertainment built in. It's a 5-series BMW. It's just not a Ferrari. I realize that a lot of people want Ferrari phones if the difference between a 5-series and a Ferrari isn't €200.000 but €200, and I assume that HP knows as much.
We will see what HP will give us in two months.
But meanwhile, the Pre3 at €350 off contract (which would make it like €100-150 on contract at launch) is a very good value proposition for people who don't mind having a V12, err, dual-core 2.0ghz CPU or ceramic brakes, err 3D screen.