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  1. #181  
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbz View Post
    That's been my question too, especially after reading this morning's editorial by Derek. We're all assuming it's purely up to Sprint, but I don't recall seeing anything to confirm that assumption. Are we absolutely certain HP is trying to include Sprint?...
    I've never assumed it was "purely up to Sprint". Face it, if HP said "here the phone for free", you can be sure Sprint would take it. At the other extreme, I don't buy the implication in Derek's post with the "A shame but they only want to sell to ATT and VZW which we have documented for council" quote that HP doesn't want to sell to anyone but ATT and VZW. I suspect that what that slipped email really means is that HP hasn't met Sprint's price yet. Possibly it even means that Sprint wants the same price and conditions as VZW and ATT, but they're not getting it.

    Again, that's purely speculation on my part, but it fits.

    In short, HP's stance that Sprint doesn't "want" it probably really means "they don't want it under our price and conditions", and Sprint's stance that HP doesn't "want" to sell it to them means "they don't want to sell it under our price and conditions".

    As to why neither side says more? It's really pretty simple. These types of negotiations are always just that - negotiations. Neither side wants to reveal much, at the risk of lessening their bargaining power; or even worse, ending the negotiations completely.
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  2. #182  
    I don't get it, guys. Why does everyone seem so keen to stick with a platform that we have to beg carriers (or the platform developer) to even offer for sale, with a device that was obsolete the day it was announced and is now almost laughably behind-the-times (yet still not even commercially available but "coming soon")?

    There's a book about this, it's called "He's Just Not That Into You." They're just not that into webOS or Sprint. Time to accept this and move on.
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  3. #183  
    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I don't get it, guys. Why does everyone seem so keen to stick with a platform that we have to beg carriers (or the platform developer) to even offer for sale, with a device that was obsolete the day it was announced and is now almost laughably behind-the-times (yet still not even commercially available but "coming soon")?

    There's a book about this, it's called "He's Just Not That Into You." They're just not that into webOS or Sprint. Time to accept this and move on.
    my TP and veer are not obsolete in my needs, I dont need 3D on my phone and will take many TP features over what apple is offering.

    you can compare specs forever and label items "inferior" you will NEVER be happy with anything in life. Trust me I know this with building cars, which is truly the ultimate of never being done/the best/spec wars.
    I love physical keyboards... but there is two devices that would make me consider a slab, one is something running a full version of Open webOS. The other is an iPhone!!!! HA HA just kidding (about the iPhone that is)...
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  4. #184  
    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I don't get it, guys. Why does everyone seem so keen to stick with a platform that we have to beg carriers (or the platform developer) to even offer for sale, with a device that was obsolete the day it was announced and is now almost laughably behind-the-times (yet still not even commercially available but "coming soon")?

    There's a book about this, it's called "He's Just Not That Into You." They're just not that into webOS or Sprint. Time to accept this and move on.
    I'm sure that you have moved on and that's okay or works for you, but some of us will stay until the OS isn't available or our current phone dies. I've not e-mailed Sprint, because if they chose not to provide the phone I want, that's okay. The new webOS phone isn't available anywhere.

    If the veer wasn't so tiny, I may have looked at it; I need to be able to read the screen or why bother having a smartphone.
  5. #185  
    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I don't get it, guys. Why does everyone seem so keen to stick with a platform that we have to beg carriers (or the platform developer) to even offer for sale, with a device that was obsolete the day it was announced and is now almost laughably behind-the-times (yet still not even commercially available but "coming soon")?

    There's a book about this, it's called "He's Just Not That Into You." They're just not that into webOS or Sprint. Time to accept this and move on.
    So, you're leaving?
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    #186  
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyaki View Post
    .... HP said if we wanted to have the Pre3 on sprint, we needed to petition sprint. ..... I don't recall if they posted that on one of the blogs or on hp's facebook page, but they definitely said that. Things may have changed since then.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to leave Sprint alone. I already sent an email to some of their execs. All I was saying is we should give the same attention to HP to let them know of interest on Sprint. While some will leave Sprint for the Pre3 (if it isn't carried), others will chose to stay with Sprint and pick another phone for various reasons.


    Quote Originally Posted by OldSkoolVWLover View Post
    There really is NO reason for Sprint to be quiet on this unless they either have a mystery device already worked out with HP that they can't talk about, or they are the ones that don't want the Pre3.
    Actually, there are plenty of reasons for Sprint to not say anything. Besides the fact that negotiations may not be complete, there may not be any purchase orders in place for HP to ship them anything. Even if there was a written commitment signed by both parties for Sprint to carry the phone, there may be a non-disclosure agreement/clause preventing Sprint from speaking. Those are just a couple examples.



    Look at the TPads. HP was in touch with retailers (no later than) the early part of May and had purchase orders for a ship date to retailers the first week of June. This was all before anything was announced. HP later announced the release date and pushed back the purchase orders for a July 1st launch.


    We simply won't know who's going to carry it until HP decides to make a press release to announce information. Communication is totally controlled by HP, the burden is not on the carriers.
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    #187  
    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I don't get it, guys. Why does everyone seem so keen to stick with a platform that we have to beg carriers (or the platform developer) to even offer for sale, with a device that was obsolete the day it was announced and is now almost laughably behind-the-times (yet still not even commercially available but "coming soon")?

    There's a book about this, it's called "He's Just Not That Into You." They're just not that into webOS or Sprint. Time to accept this and move on.
    So no amount of begging Sprint could have brought the phone it seems. And this poor Dan Hesse guy was flooded by our emails so much that he had a team of employees call us back directly. I say Sprint showed great customer service to us who were all hot and bothered over something they (Sprint) could not do anything about. It makes me want to stick with Sprint, not just for the price of services, but they seem to CARE somewhat.
    Palm III -> Treo 90 -> Treo 650 -> Motorola Q -> Treo 755p -> Pixi -> Sprint FrankenPixi+ -> Blackberry Bold 9930
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    I posted on the Bring the Pre 3/Veer to Sprint thread on sprint.com and apologized. It turns out that HP were the idiots all along and Sprint knew it. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. I'll stay on Sprint. My contract, ironically enough, ended yesterday!
  9. #189  
    Dear Mr Hesse,

    I am writing not regarding Pre 3. I am however writing to express great dissatisfaction over the way your employees try to push products on folks that they really don't want. Thing is when they do this they are "LYING'. a FEW MONTHS AGO WE WENT TO THE SPRINT STORE in Roseville Minnesota. An employee although I wasn't eliglble for an upgrade he told me we can do a 'FLIP FLOP" that way I could get a new iphone 4s. He told us that yea we just do a flip flop, we give you a new DUMMY NUMBER that will cost $9.00 a month and cancel the insurance so it cost you nothing really.

    A couple months later get bill and GEE the dummy number that's suppose to be $9 is actually $29.00 a month.
    Can you please tell me what a number does for $29.00 a month that has NO PHONE EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH IT? Also my wife went in back in March because her phone was acting up. She went in and the lady talked her into an new I phone only to find out we got stuck with a $50 early termination fee. From the looks of your address to folks in New Orleans you encourage this type of lies and manipulation in order to increase profitability. WHY IS IT YOU ALLOW THESE TYPES OF PRACTICE AND DECEAT? So we go off to the ROSEVILLE MINNESOTA store again today after having a $333.00 bill. We went in and asked if there was a regional or GM at the store. Veronica the
    ASST. MGR. said the manager is gone unitl Friday. We went on to TRY to explain to her what had happened and as were talking to her she just starts walking away and walking around the store like we didn't exist. Well we Do and when I told her 'look when someone is trying to explain a problem to you at least stand there and listen like a professional. She told us to leave the store and then 2 clowns that worked there are going to escort us out of the store I told them lets see you make me leave" So we left alright but we will be going back Friday when the manager is there and this time I think we will call Roseville Police Dept. to meet us there. That way maybe your employees who are supposed to be professional will actually listen. At this point were ready to cancel all lines and you can go ahead and turn it over to collections. But you probably really don't care based on the statements made about pushing more product on present customers because you probably can't get enough new customers to RAPE. I don't know how long you have been the CEO but i'll be willing to bet you won't be much longer. Your company and all it's staff are rude and like you Sir only think of the almighty dollar. What you don't make enough money with your salary? Or like every other CEO's your just out for that BIG PAYDAY. S.M. Williams, ST. Paul, MN. 651-xxx-5003. Feel free to call anytime. Yea like that's going to happen.
    Anyway I hope you and all your other Cronies have a peaceful sleep. Knowing how you rip us all off. But just remember this "GOD DON'T LIKE UGLY" and Sir SPRINT is the ugliest thing on earth. We have to work hard for our money, like actual physical work. We had T-Mobile for fourteen years, we should have stayed with them, but our daughter convinced us you guys were better. I love my daughter, but boy she was wrong. We have never been treated so disrespectfully by not one or two of your so called customer service specialist, but by all of the employees we have talked too, or dealt with there. Yes my husband was very upset when we went there, but to be treated like we were invisible was just unprofessional, and that was your assistant manager. Do you just give that title away? And to think all we wanted was to get a straight, and honest answer to our questions, and your company cant even do that. I will be contacting local news stations, and our attorney generals, and contact an attorney for dishonest practices.
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    um... ok.
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