View Poll Results: Is the Pre3 better off without 4G?

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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by manordwall View Post
    4g isnt really 4g
    Quote Originally Posted by Mattykinsx View Post
    You're right, but it's still faster than 3g either way.
    PRPRPR $has$ $already$ $twisted$ $the$ $meaning$ $of$ $4G$ $to$ $fit$ $LTE$, $WiMax$, $and$ $more$. $Nobody$ $is$ $stopping$ $them$. $Consumers$ $believe$ $it$'$s$ $4G$, $and$ $they$ $can$'$t$ $tell$ $that$ $it$ $isn$'$t$: $it$'$s$ $incredibly$ $fast$.
  2.    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by JKK Photography View Post
    PRPRPR $has$ $already$ $twisted$ $the$ $meaning$ $of$ $4G$ $to$ $fit$ $LTE$, $WiMax$, $and$ $more$. $Nobody$ $is$ $stopping$ $them$. $Consumers$ $believe$ $it$'$s$ $4G$, $and$ $they$ $can$'$t$ $tell$ $that$ $it$ $isn$'$t$: $it$'$s$ $incredibly$ $fast$.
    Names don't mean jack. Is it noticeably faster? If yes, who cares? If I try to load a page, use facetime, VOIP, and I'm slower than the guy next to me or the guy I'm communicating with, that will NOT fly.
  3. #23  
    Hi all,

    The other day, there was a comment somewhere on this site, that the person was upset that the Pre3 & the Veer where both 3G and not 4G.

    I wanted to post this info in reference to 4G. If you go to the link I am providing there will be a link for a video file. If you have any questions go to that as well.

    My take on all of this is that until 4G speeds any of the cell providers actually reach 4G, which apparently none of them are at this point. Then I will get a 4G phone.

    But why would you want to pay almost $250 extra over a 2 year contract and not actually be getting 4G service? Right now I am very pleased that the Pre3 and the Veer AREN'T 4G PHONES!

    If I am not mistaken 1st Sprint said they would charge $10 extra for 4G service and then all the other firms jumped on the ripoff express, that is $240 across a 2 year contract. Then there are taxes on top of the $10 extra. Trust me, I am sure all of you can use the $240 more than the cell providers. For that matter, I am sure all of can use the extra tax fees on the $10 a month as well.

    So why don't all of you people that are so upset over the Pre3 and Veer not be 4G read the article below and then take a deep breath and relax a little!
    Take care,

    Jay

    4G: Myth Vs. Reality
    New Standard For Speed Not Actually A Standard

    POSTED: Monday, February 7, 2011
    UPDATED: 8:19 am EST February 8, 2011

    4G: Myth Vs. Reality - Technology News Story - WKMG Orlando

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- In an informal survey conducted by Local 6 about wireless carriers and network speed, few consumers could truly define what the wireless industry today is calling 4G. The ubiquitous TV commercials tout it as the latest, fastest technology available for smartphones. Every carrier has its version of 4G. The key word is "version" because, according to Local 6 research, no carrier actually meets the standard set by the International Telecommunication Union for 4G technology.

    VIDEO: Cell Service Test
    3G (the current network speed with uniform standards) and 4G refer to how fast a cellular device can move information (i.e. browsing the Internet, downloading or uploading e-mail attachments, photos, and videos). The wireless industry is selling consumers on the idea that a 4G network will perform faster than the 3G network that is widely used today. The International Telecommunication Union (ITU), which sets the standard for the industry, officially set the criteria for 4G speed at 100 megabits per second. The ITU recognized only two candidate technologies, LTE-Advanced and WirelessMAN-Advanced that, according to specs, can reach those speeds.

    Currently, those technologies exist as specs only. Neither technology has been fully developed and applied. Consequently, no wireless carrier today is operating at 4G speeds as defined by the ITU.

    So, why are most, if not all, wireless carriers saying they offer 4G?

    According to Perry LaForge, Executive Director of CDMA Development Group, a company that helped set up the global 3G network, the ITU came under pressure from the wireless industry to water down the standards. In fact, a month after the ITU defined 4G as 100 megabits per second, it announced that 3G networks with a "substantial level of improvement" could also be called 4G. "People are calling everything 4G at this point," LaForge said. "The ITU did make it significantly nebulous by saying we will allow other 3G technologies that show improvement."

    That may explain why carriers are blasting the airwaves with all those commercials promising the fastest 4G network. The truth is actually in the fine print. The fine print reveals to consumers exactly how each carrier defines 4G now since LTE-Advanced and WirelessMAN-Advanced are not available. In reality, consumers would have to buy a new phone now to use what the industry is calling 4G and then another phone when real 4G is achieved. "This stuff is just more of a matter of marketing gone haywire," LaForge said.

    LaForge told Local 6 that a true 4G, 100 megabit per second data speed, should be available within a three-to-four-year time frame. In the meantime, LaForge said consumers who are shopping for faster data rates should make sure there is actual coverage in their areas for the so-called 4G being offered by their providers. Consumers should also check that their devices can connect to the 4G network, as coverage is not consistent throughout North America.
    Copyright 2011 by Internet Broadcasting Systems and ClickOrlando.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
  4. #24  
    good work and thanks for posting that

    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedessert View Post
    Hi all,

    The other day, there was a comment somewhere on this site, that the person was upset that the Pre3 & the Veer where both 3G and not 4G.

    I wanted to post this info in reference to 4G. If you go to the link I am providing there will be a link for a video file. If you have any questions go to that as well.

    My take on all of this is that until 4G speeds any of the cell providers actually reach 4G, which apparently none of them are at this point. Then I will get a 4G phone.

    But why would you want to pay almost $250 extra over a 2 year contract and not actually be getting 4G service? Right now I am very pleased that the Pre3 and the Veer AREN'T 4G PHONES!

    If I am not mistaken 1st Sprint said they would charge $10 extra for 4G service and then all the other firms jumped on the ripoff express, that is $240 across a 2 year contract. Then there are taxes on top of the $10 extra. Trust me, I am sure all of you can use the $240 more than the cell providers. For that matter, I am sure all of can use the extra tax fees on the $10 a month as well.

    So why don't all of you people that are so upset over the Pre3 and Veer not be 4G read the article below and then take a deep breath and relax a little!
    Take care,

    Jay

    4G: Myth Vs. Reality
    New Standard For Speed Not Actually A Standard

    POSTED: Monday, February 7, 2011
    UPDATED: 8:19 am EST February 8, 2011

    4G: Myth Vs. Reality - Technology News Story - WKMG Orlando

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- In an informal survey conducted by Local 6 about wireless carriers and network speed, few consumers could truly define what the wireless industry today is calling 4G. The ubiquitous TV commercials tout it as the latest, fastest technology available for smartphones. Every carrier has its version of 4G. The key word is "version" because, according to Local 6 research, no carrier actually meets the standard set by the International Telecommunication Union for 4G technology.

    VIDEO: Cell Service Test
    3G (the current network speed with uniform standards) and 4G refer to how fast a cellular device can move information (i.e. browsing the Internet, downloading or uploading e-mail attachments, photos, and videos). The wireless industry is selling consumers on the idea that a 4G network will perform faster than the 3G network that is widely used today. The International Telecommunication Union (ITU), which sets the standard for the industry, officially set the criteria for 4G speed at 100 megabits per second. The ITU recognized only two candidate technologies, LTE-Advanced and WirelessMAN-Advanced that, according to specs, can reach those speeds.

    Currently, those technologies exist as specs only. Neither technology has been fully developed and applied. Consequently, no wireless carrier today is operating at 4G speeds as defined by the ITU.

    So, why are most, if not all, wireless carriers saying they offer 4G?

    According to Perry LaForge, Executive Director of CDMA Development Group, a company that helped set up the global 3G network, the ITU came under pressure from the wireless industry to water down the standards. In fact, a month after the ITU defined 4G as 100 megabits per second, it announced that 3G networks with a "substantial level of improvement" could also be called 4G. "People are calling everything 4G at this point," LaForge said. "The ITU did make it significantly nebulous by saying we will allow other 3G technologies that show improvement."

    That may explain why carriers are blasting the airwaves with all those commercials promising the fastest 4G network. The truth is actually in the fine print. The fine print reveals to consumers exactly how each carrier defines 4G now since LTE-Advanced and WirelessMAN-Advanced are not available. In reality, consumers would have to buy a new phone now to use what the industry is calling 4G and then another phone when real 4G is achieved. "This stuff is just more of a matter of marketing gone haywire," LaForge said.

    LaForge told Local 6 that a true 4G, 100 megabit per second data speed, should be available within a three-to-four-year time frame. In the meantime, LaForge said consumers who are shopping for faster data rates should make sure there is actual coverage in their areas for the so-called 4G being offered by their providers. Consumers should also check that their devices can connect to the 4G network, as coverage is not consistent throughout North America.
    Copyright 2011 by Internet Broadcasting Systems and ClickOrlando.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
  5. #25  
    Hi,

    Anytime!

    take care,

    Jay
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
  6. #26  
    No, it's not real 4G, but it IS significantly faster than 3G. I, for one, would be very satisfied with jsut having the "fake" 4G that is out there now. Then when/if real 4G comes, great...but come come out with a "high end" phone that's not capable of the higher speeds of today? Not acceptable.
    Dave
    Sprint Pre User Who LOVED his Pre but left for a more supported phone (EVO Shift)...maybe one day Sprint & HP will see the light and bring us a great 4g capable Pre replacement!
  7. #27  
    @ilovedessert
    For Sprint at least having 4G is at no additional ccost ($10 premium data tax is on every device) so if I am going to be paying $10 extra anyway I would much rather have that. ALso, even though WiMAX is not at the speed it should be it is still 3-4 times (bare minimum) faster than 3G so ....

    For AT&T and Verizon I would accept your point as valid for the future, for now AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK $there$ $is$ $no$ $difference$ $in$ $pricing$ $for$ $4G$ $data$ $plans$ $for$ $smart$ $phones$).
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by sapient2k7 View Post
    @ilovedessert
    For Sprint at least having 4G is at no additional ccost ($10 premium data tax is on every device) so if I am going to be paying $10 extra anyway I would much rather have that. ALso, even though WiMAX is not at the speed it should be it is still 3-4 times (bare minimum) faster than 3G so ....

    For AT&T and Verizon I would accept your point as valid for the future, for now AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK $there$ $is$ $no$ $difference$ $in$ $pricing$ $for$ $4G$ $data$ $plans$ $for$ $smart$ $phones$).
    Exactly. If I'm going to be paying a $10 smart phone fee, I want the best radio I can get. Even if I will have it on 3g to save on battery, I want the option to turn it on.

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre using Forums
  9. #29  
    Hi all,

    I stand corrected on both points. Thanks as always,

    take care, Jay
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
  10. #30  
    I am reminded of the 3G transition and this summer is a bit dicey for a high end phone without 3G. If the iPhone has "4G" then it's time for 4G. I know that isn't really a nice thought but probably true. The iPhone 4 was without 4G but on at&t not a big deal since the next iPhone is sure to be HSPA+ or whatever and that is now being called 4G whether we like it or not and at&t isn't at an LTE place yet. If the pre 3 is also then it's sort of a wash there. It's on Verizon it would be really obvious if the iPhone 5 is announced with LTE on Verizon and is available this summer there then it will be a harder sell especially on the business side where bandwidth is even more of a big deal for VPN and such. Those are also the early adopters of the LTE modems for laptops.

    I think my response boils down to the answer we keep coming to with all of the new HP offerings - Wait and see. I don't like it but the more I try to pick a side the less I am sure.
    Palm Devices: Palm IIIe -> Palm IIIxe -> CLIÉ N760C -> Tungsten T3 -> Pre Plus
  11. #31  
    i think 4g will be the norm by the time thr pre 3 rolls out. its not a deal breaker for me but that video chat isnt going to be a good experience

    hsp+ is ok with me even if its not true 4g. who knows the pre 3 with 4g might attract new /more customers than a pre 3 with just 3g
  12. #32  
    Hi all,

    There is a very strong possibility that there will be more webOS phones out b4 the year is over....HP has already stated there will be more form factors, which I assume means a slab type phone...the plural of the word factors was used....It is likely that there will be or are 4G phones keyboarded phones awaiting in the wings! (I am not at all surprised, Palm is no longer short of funds, so for them, they have quite a bit of pent up ideas for smart phone, which of course is GREAT), 4 us!

    Which of course makes all of us have to decide, do we go with the pre2,
    pre3 or Veer...or do we wait a little while longer and see what happens....

    Last week I asked this MB if there are still 1 year contracts, (with us paying a larger amount of the price of the phone)...apparently most of the providers are phasing out 1 year contracts....thinking I could have my cake and eat it too!


    take care,

    jay
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
  13. #33  
    I would settle for a consistent 3G network where I live in AZ. The Sprint/Verizon 3G is spotty and drops from 3G to 1x randomly, even while I am sitting still. "4G" of any incarnation is a pipe dream at this point.
  14. #34  
    Hi all, I live 45 miles NW of Mickey Mouse here in Sunny Florida...I have yet to get a straight answer from the cell providers if we are included in "Orlando, FL", now that Orlando is supposed to be 4G.

    take care,

    jay
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
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    #35  
    The premise of the question is the problem.

    HSPA+ is 4G. It's faster than WiiMax, slightly slower than LTE. And the phone was announced with this "4G" technology, so I see no problem.
    Peace, Freedom, Prosperity.

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  16. #36  
    NO... I don't care if I have to disable it most of the time to save battery juice. I want the option there.

    On a side note, Sprint needs to get their heads out of their Why don't they get on LTE and forget the power draining, non-wall moving though wimax??? This is ... 6 months to figure it out... oh wait, we'll have both??? no wonder they are going down hill fast. If they were not less $$$ then the other guys, I'd be on another network...

    I guess you get what you pay for
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    #37  
    I wouldn't say that the new phones are better without 4G. But I still don't see 4G as necessary to be competitive. '4G' isn't ubiquitous (in quotes due to current implementations of so-called 4G) and there are yet services that take full advantage of it, such as video streaming and other cloud services. When Amazon/iTunes offer uncompressed audio, then I'll care. Two years from this summer when Pre2/Pre3/Veer owners are eligible to upgrade, there will be a different story. Besides, it will take that long for 4G to really matter.
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  18. #38  
    For some markets it matters now.
    Dave
    Sprint Pre User Who LOVED his Pre but left for a more supported phone (EVO Shift)...maybe one day Sprint & HP will see the light and bring us a great 4g capable Pre replacement!
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    #39  
    I actually live in one of those markets. As I said before, there are services that don't take full advantage of it.
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  20. #40  
    The Pre3 IS 4G on TMobile or AT&T. HSPA+ is 4G. TMobile expects to move most of its subscriber base to 42Mbps HSPA+ which can continue to be expanded for quite some time. TMobile's HSPA throughput is anywhere from 3-7Mbps currently, and it could move to anywhere from 7Mbps to 15Mbps with the updates.

    If you can hit 15Mbps on a smartphone, there is no need for 95% of subscribers to use a separate high speed internet connection. Just tether the smartphone over wireless N and use your phone to provide the interwebs to the house.

    4G is a killer feature to have, and I have serious concern about any new phone that launches without it on Sprint or Verizon, including the Pre3. Nothing has been finalized so it's possible a WiMax or LTE radio can find it's way into CDMA Pre3 devices, but I couldn't find anything on the 8x55 supporting those technologies specifically.
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