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    This was brought up in one of the other threads (although it was way off topic of the original post) so I thought I would dedicate a thread to itself. What do you guys think of the emergence of a Treo OS? Since Garnet has all but been tapped, do you think with Palm trying to buy it from Access they might spin it into an OS dedicated to the Treo? I mean, here is what I see:

    1. Palm with Linux may be in the development stage, but I am personally unaware of the resources that Access will be willing to devout to it.

    2. With Palm's license of the POS valid until 2009, how does buying the POS from Access affect that? Does anyone know if they pay the licensing in one lump sum or is broken apart in annual fees? It just seems that Palm is double spending a lot of money (Spinning off PalmSource, then buying back the rights to the name, trying to rebuy PalmSource unsuccessfully, licensing the POS until 2009, trying to buy Garnet back from Access.) Does Palm have a direction? It does not seem like it to me, but I welcome other views.

    3. Cobalt - the, until just recently, biggest vaporware that ever was. We still haven't seen any production units (to my knowledge) and it seems that PS has abandoned it in lieu of Palm/Linux.

    4. We have been told that we can expect a line of Treo phones and have just begun to see what I would call the beginnings of a line. With the announcement of the Treo 700W, Palm is opening up itself to the corporate world of Exchange and Microsoft. We have yet to see any lower priced value oriented Treos. Will we see a value oriented Windows model?

    5. Is the PDA market in THAT much of a decline? I think the reality of this is, while there may always be a market for the lower priced ($99 and below) glorified Calender/PIM Palms, the majority of the PDA market will have to embrace the onset of a mini-PC type (much like the new T|X) but more powerful. Some of the new PPCs seem to be heading that way, but Palm still seems to always be 9-12 months behind. As Business and Techies demand more power and more functionality, ultimately what we will be seeing is more models of the OQO-type devices. The first company to tap the $600-$700 range will surely set the market up. I don't think that we are that far off.

    6. Palm needs to step up the innovation, in my opinion. If you look at Apple (a similar type company with a cult-type following in this regard) it seems that there is always something new coming out. This segment needs an innovator. It seems that HTC has increasingly been the company that innovates more than any other. Realizing that they probably manufacture more PDA/Smartphones than most, it would help to see more from Palm.

    All in all, it seems like Palm is trying to redirect itself as an innovator once again, but in my opinion, they need to take three giant steps and bring themselves up to 2005. Incorporating other form factors (smaller candy bar, flip like the side kick, and current form factor) would undoubtedly show Palm as a serious contender in the arena. This company needs to find a direction that they want to take and needs to plow forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650
    1. Palm with Linux may be in the development stage, but I am personally unaware of the resources that Access will be willing to devout to it.
    Access has stated sevveral times that they are definitely committed to finishing the development of PL and Palm featurephone product.

    2. With Palm's license of the POS valid until 2009, how does buying the POS from Access affect that? Does anyone know if they pay the licensing in one lump sum or is broken apart in annual fees? It just seems that Palm is double spending a lot of money (Spinning off PalmSource, then buying back the rights to the name, trying to rebuy PalmSource unsuccessfully, licensing the POS until 2009, trying to buy Garnet back from Access.) Does Palm have a direction? It does not seem like it to me, but I welcome other views.
    First of all, this is nothing but a rumor started by an article posted on TheRegister and promulgated by others like JK etc who imo don't have a clue. Furthermore, I highly DOUBT this would ever happen. It just doesn't make sense imo to spend all that money on a dead end platform which is very EOL. The premise stated by JK and others that Palm can continue to survive on Frankengarnet for the next 2-3 years b/c it just "fine the way it is" without the need for updates is pure fantasy. Basically forget about it...

    3. Cobalt - the, until just recently, biggest vaporware that ever was. We still haven't seen any production units (to my knowledge) and it seems that PS has abandoned it in lieu of Palm/Linux.
    The a ref GSL Cobalt smartphone out there. Also I happen to think the next PalmOS Treo will be Coblat based b/c of the 1xEvDo stack support...but who knows...

    4. We have been told that we can expect a line of Treo phones and have just begun to see what I would call the beginnings of a line. With the announcement of the Treo 700W, Palm is opening up itself to the corporate world of Exchange and Microsoft. We have yet to see any lower priced value oriented Treos. Will we see a value oriented Windows model?
    I would like to see a low end treo too, but I think we still might be a year or even two years away from seeing that...

    5. Is the PDA market in THAT much of a decline? I think the reality of this is, while there may always be a market for the lower priced ($99 and below) glorified Calender/PIM Palms, the majority of the PDA market will have to embrace the onset of a mini-PC type (much like the new T|X) but more powerful. Some of the new PPCs seem to be heading that way, but Palm still seems to always be 9-12 months behind. As Business and Techies demand more power and more functionality, ultimately what we will be seeing is more models of the OQO-type devices. The first company to tap the $600-$700 range will surely set the market up. I don't think that we are that far off.
    The pda market is not dead. It just is not growing as fast as the smartphone market. There will always continue to be a market for ~12 million or so pdas sold every year which is still quite lucrative.

    I don't necessarily agree with you that Palm is so far behing anymore though. If you compare the specs of the Tx to comparably priced PPC's out there like the low end Axim x51 or the rx1955, the Tx actaully beats them both with dual wireless and HVGA screenie. It actually is a better bargain for the features than the Axim etc which is the first time you could say that in a loooong time! Of course the choice of platforms is a different arguement.

    Finally, the Z22 imo has the potential of beign the biggest blockbuster pda Palm has had in a long time. It is the first major color pda for under $100 bucks and has lots of features like NVFS etc that make it ideal for the soccer mom market and etc...
    6. Palm needs to step up the innovation, in my opinion. If you look at Apple (a similar type company with a cult-type following in this regard) it seems that there is always something new coming out. This segment needs an innovator. It seems that HTC has increasingly been the company that innovates more than any other. Realizing that they probably manufacture more PDA/Smartphones than most, it would help to see more from Palm.
    I agree with you there. Checkout my criticisms of JK rant over at 1src for more info:

    http://www.1src.com/headlines/show/001278.html

    Incorporating other form factors (smaller candy bar, flip like the side kick, and current form factor) would undoubtedly show Palm as a serious contender in the arena. This company needs to find a direction that they want to take and needs to plow forward.

    The form factor idea is interesting. In fact I always wondered why Danger never considered lisencing an OS like PalmOS for example? I think it would make SK a lot more appealing to many user imo. However, I don't think Palm will be changing the form factor of the Treo too much in the future, other than making it lighter, thinner, no antenna etc. I think they feel they've found the sweet spot in terms of form factor and thus the "laptop analogy" used by Ed Colligan in the WM Treo webcast earlier this month.

    However I disagree with this and would love to see some innovation in design too. For example, can you imagine if a device like the iPod Nano ran PalmOS? I think that would be really cool. Also a low end flip palm os phone would be nice, but I think it would have to be a feature phone to make it profitable etc...
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    How cool would it be to see a Palm model similar to the OQO? Or something similar to the ultralight laptops? I've made the suggestion before, but I still think with some tweaks and additions to the OS, Palm could feasibly pull off an actual mini-pc. I think that if there was a device with the size of an ultra portable and a nice display, we could actually trade in our laptops for most of our needs. Instant on, speed without the huge amounts of RAM that Windows needs...the makings are all there.

    Then add in a slot that allows you to just slip the Treo in for instant sync- or sync over BT. The integration between the two could be amazing.
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