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  1. #61  
    Oh well. And here I thought I was informing you. More's the pity. I'm out too then.

    Surur
  2.    #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by gharrod
    Access bought PalmSource and Palm has an agreement with them for their operating system. Access is developing a linux back end and Palm devices will have that with a Palm OS look-alike front end. There will be an emulator to run existing Palm OS apps.

    If I am wrong please someone correct me. Palm has has press releases on this issue.
    You're wrong. Jack and Surur are correct.

    Palm has an agreement to license PalmOS. But Palm has never announced that its devices will run Access linux. Your link is consistent with this. And there is no press release that says otherwise.


    Quote Originally Posted by gharrod
    No wise man can reason away what a fool believes. So believe what you may read into things but I will promise you that wrong is wrong. It is not my job to convince you of reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by gharrod
    No, it is a very simple way to say you are dead wrong and are to dense to recognize that you are wrong. But I am through trying to talk sense to you with your nonsensical and argumentative replies. But we are used to that from you Surur.
    If you want to be arrogant, be correct first.
  3. #63  
    You know, it sucks that we can't speculate without coming to this...

    From what I've read, Palm has not bought into ALP (and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't)

    But all any of us are doing is interpreting what we THINK might happen (albeit some loose interpretation at times.) As a matter of fact, that is about all this forum has done as of late, thanks to a tight-lipped Palm.

    Can't we all just get along?
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  4. #64  
    Samkin, what do you call $150 million investment if not a buy in? The contract runs for another 3 years with Access.
  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650
    From what I've read, Palm has not bought into ALP (and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't)
    There's hundreds of articles exclaiming that ALP is in trouble if Palm, Inc doesn't buy in. At the 3GSM conference when PS made teh announceemts, the press was kinda shocked that palm, Inc wasn't tehre to join them as MS, Verizon and palm did the joing PRPRPR $for$ $the$ $700w$.

    I don't know if that's necessarily true tho that PS is in trouble as it would put Palm Inc in a branding situation. Consumers could be confused thinking PalmInc devices and PalmSource devcies were the same thing. OTOH, this could all be gamesmanship for the negotiating table.

    We know this:

    1. Palm, Inc did try to by PalmSource back once Colligan came on as CEO.
    2. Colligan said it was a mistake to sell PalmSource.

    Maybe PS stock goes down if it can't sign on sufficient partners and then Ed gets his wish. Maybe if they ignore PS long enough they can force a better license fee. maybe they keeping PS in their "back pocket" and are waiting to see what all those Linux engineers they hired can come up with.

    Right now is all I can conclude is palm is wisely keeping its options open.
  6.    #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by gharrod
    Samkin, what do you call $150 million investment if not a buy in? The contract runs for another 3 years with Access.
    Palm has a licensing agreement for Garnet, not ALP.


    You said:
    Access is developing a linux back end and Palm devices will have that with a Palm OS look-alike front end.
    But Palm has never publicly announced that they will build devices that will run ALP.


    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650
    But all any of us are doing is interpreting what we THINK might happen (albeit some loose interpretation at times.)
    Some people are arguing about what has already been announced.
  7. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE
    Maybe PS stock goes down if it can't sign on sufficient partners and then Ed gets his wish.
    PS is a wholly owned subsidiary of Access Co Ltd. Access already has a strong business and good relationships with mobile phone producers, and claim their Netfront browser is in > 200 million devices. Their biggest outside investor is NTT DoCoMo. Somehow I dont think they will come on the auction block anytime soon again. And I also dont think they really need Palm either.

    Surur
  8. #68  
    Huge difference between Acess and PalmSource. If MS sells 200 million copies of office, and 500 million copies of Windows, that doesn't necessarily make their x-Box subsidiary profitable. Subsidiaries get bought and sold every day based upon how they perform individually. A wholly owned subsidiary needs to show its parent a profit or it gets sold off. MS's Dominance with Windows hasn't helped it knock off Intuit, Adobe and other players.

    When I read the Press Release from 3GSM conference, I was as surprised as the word tech press who all seemed to agree it was quite a "big thing" that Palm, Inc has not signed on. And even big companies can be squeezed at the negotiating table. Look what MS has done in Germany and UK to keep large clients. While they still lost many agencies to Linux, they kept other because all of a sudden they are paying peanuts for Windows after they made the "show" of switching to Linux. So even the giants can be brought to bear with a little negotiating strategy.
  9. #69  
    I would be fully supportive of a Palm-owned successor to Garnet. Let's face it, it's not like they'll be making devices from the dozens of other Palm manufacturers incompatible - there ARE NOT dozens of other manufacturers.

    The fact of the matter is, both Garnet and WM seem to have been spliced together in a half-hearted attempt at an OS. IMO they are both crap. Both are severely lacking and give the impression that no one takes the mobile space seriously yet. I use whichever piece of crap ignores the least of my needs at the time. I'd love to see a third option even though I feel it too may just add to the dungpool.
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  10. #70  
    http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=60

    "Things are getting interesting at Palm Inc., the makers of the Treo smartphones but not (to date) of the operating systems they run on. First, back in November of 2004, there was a source that reported Palm was "exploring partnerships that could let it use a tailored version of the Linux OS to run on its devices". There was some credibility because this was the same source that first leaked Palm's plans to release a Windows Mobile Treo--correctly as we now know. Other rumors of Linux devices from Palm flew about for a while, but there was nothing tangible. Then Palm went through a spate of hiring Linux engineers that seemed to start around the time they lost their bidding war to acquire PalmSource. Most recently there has been a job description posted on Palm's website for a Linux handset engineer that specifically mentions development of "a new software platform." Now I've received confirmation from someone who actually knows what's going on.

    The analyst I communicated with by email has been privy to Palm's plans in the past, so I asked if he could confirm my conclusion that Palm is writing their own Linux OS. He did, and they are. He asked not to be named, but here's what he said when I asked what he knew:

    We know about it. Palm has stated on several occasions than 80% of their engineers are software engineers, they are perfectly able to design their own operating system and are working on it. I know they had a prototype of a Linux Treo 650. From my discussions with management my impression is that Palm is hedging their OS risk by developing in-house systems as well as keeping relationships with Palmsource and Microsoft. I know that future Palm models will be coming out with both operating sytems in order to test market reaction.


    I asked if he knew whether any of the Treos slated for later this year were expected to run Palm's new Linux-based system. He said they would run Windows and Palm OS Garnet and that the "new operating system will be introduced in 2007 (donít know if fiscal or calendar)."

    So there you have it, folks. It seems that we now have not one but two companies working on a successor to the Palm operating system: PalmSource, the company that Palm spun off in 2003 to continue the development of the Palm OS but which was recently acquired by ACCESS; and Palm Inc. itself, which own's the Palm brand and is therefore the only party that can actually name their platform "Palm OS." It's thought that ACCESS, heavily staked by DoCoMo, will be looking largely to Japan and China for its customers. Meanwhile Palm, dominant in the US smartphone market, has been conspicuously quiet about the announcement of the ACCESS Linux Platform in February. Now we know why."
  11. #71  
    GO PALM !!
  12. #72  
    At the first sign I see that this will be a REAL multi-tasking OS capable of running native Palm apps, I'm ditching my 6700 and jumping on the 700p bandwagon (I know the 700p will not have this Linux OS, but I'll know my Palm apps have a future).
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