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    I just made that up, get it, L(landscape)... Anyway I think this would be awesome. PALM ARE YOU LISTENING...!?!?
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    Cool, I like it.
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    I would consider upgrading if that was the screen.
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    And here is how you deal with the missing button row - holding down the center n-way button brings up an overlay with "n" icons that are functions that can be accessed to launch programs. Simply move the n-way onto one of those and press the center button again to launch it. There is absolutely no reason to depend on physical buttons for that - especially since they frequently get pressed by accident leaving the device launching (or on) applications that you didn't intend to launch in the first place.
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    I have always liked the idea a larger screen on the TREO, as I see that as one of it's cons for my needs.

    Here would be my perfect TREO phone :
    • Treo form factor (without the antenna).
    • But the keyboard would slide down for a PPC-660x size screen when needed and the OS would recognize what screen mode (or actually the screen would slide up to keep the weight at the bottom for easy balance for typing). That way those who like the small form factor have it and never have to slide it to a larger size for more screen real estate, while those who need the extra screen have it. All while have an a keyboard always exposed.
    • Portrait & Landscape
    • OS: Just like a desktop....A dual boot to either Palm Colbalt & PPC 2005 as I have programs I love on both OS's
    • With the dual boot, there would be a common database format compatible with both OS's so common info, i.e....contacts, emails, tasks, etc...can be accessed and edited no matter OS you have loaded.
    • Dual radios...one for data and one for voice so both can used at same time, at least until EVDV becomes available.
    • True VGA screen resolution
    • At least a 1.3 mp camera (saw the first 5 mp cell phone camera the other day in a magazine).
    • Complete office software solution
    • Full Blackberry support and compatible (which is what the latest version of the 660x is going to have when released soon in EU).
    • Voice Command included.
    • Non crippled Bluetooth
    • Built in Wifi
    • CDMA (aka available through Sprint)
    • EVDO
    • No atenna
    • GPS. Just like the folding the GPS antenna, but removable with a port in back of phone where a removable GPS antenna can be snapped on and off as needed.
    • At least, bare minimum, 128 mb of memory, with how cheap memory is now there would also be a 1 gb internal mem option. I figure a dual boot OS option would take around 100 meg of internal memory so high mem is a must.
    • Graphic chip accelator that will be released for PDAs this year or early next.
    • At least a 600mhz processor.
    • two sd slots for memory and accessory.
    • No thicker than the 650
    • And of course, since we are dreaming....no bugs with the first release.
    I would be happy then....

    FOLLOW UP NOTES: As for graphics accelator...nVidia has announced their new GoForce 4500 3D that will be released soon. This will provide arcade quality graphics and performance to PPCs. You can see it at http://www.nvidia.com/page/goforce_3d_4500.html . You can also see some screenshots at http://www.nvidia.com/page/pg_20040916183808.html . Here is one of favorites: http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/10085...ndheld_Demo.jpg

    I think that my dream phone is VERY reasonable today...or at least as soon as the GoForce is released. Whoever wakes up and smells the market demand by making it, could become the new leader in the industry.....as long they do not shoot themselves in the foot with never ending bugs.
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    I love your ideas, but don't necessarily agree that this is very reasonable today. Maybe you meant from an "all the component technologies are available today" perspective? To me that doesn't equate to combining them all in a single devise.

    Considering how freakin slow this industry seems to be moving, it may take a long time. The Treo 600 came out so long ago, and the competition is just STARTING to copy the form factor...and Palm hasn't turned it up a notch when they could have capitalized on their advantages and BURIED the competion. Look at Steve Jobs at Apple with the iPod. They own the market, and they could have milked more sales of the iPod mini. Instead they bring out the NANO! Their competition must be p*ssing themselves!

    I'm with you that I wish someone would wake up and smell the demand, but I keep thinking of the marketing & accounting types who would sooner spoon feed us over a long stretch to keep us at the upgrade trough!
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    Hobbes, I don't see how your phone is possible with today's technology. I mean, it's all possible, except for the form factor. Two radios? GPS? Two SD slots? Sliding screen. All those things take space.

    From a software point of view, I don't know if either the Palm or Microsoft OS supports switching from square to portrait on the fly. I'm betting both don't. That's fine because you are going to rewrite both OSes anyway. You'd have to have a third partition for file system format to hold all the common files and then you'd have to write a translator so that they can take advantage of it. Lastly, you'd have to write all the apps for both OSes to be able to take advantage of that layer.
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    Nice photoshop. However I would not want to give up the 4 hardkeys....
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    Aahh....but think of what those who can imagine can accomplish....

    I know I was laying out a dream phone...especially with the dual boot OS (man just think about the contracts you would have to work out!) But as far as the hardware, if someone was able to accomplish it within a size between the treo and the 6700 or I730, they would rule the market. I think that a phone like this is possible to be at least in development now....if someone was willing to put some resources and money behind it.
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    I really like the device.
    The screen size is perfect .
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Aahh....but think of what those who can imagine can accomplish....

    I know I was laying out a dream phone...especially with the dual boot OS (man just think about the contracts you would have to work out!) But as far as the hardware, if someone was able to accomplish it within a size between the treo and the 6700 or I730, they would rule the market. I think that a phone like this is possible to be at least in development now....if someone was willing to put some resources and money behind it.
    Who needs dual boot, I'll bet we see the emulator first --
    nothing like a Commodore 64 / Apple II / Atari 2600 / Atari 8bit / Atari ST phone (so retro). All we need to do now is emulate PALM OS on Windows Mobile and we can have both.

    I wonder when we'll see a good commercial Windows 95 emulator -- can't be too far off really....
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    I love it, I would buy it even if it was Palm OS5 and no WIFI. This will be the real deal. JEFF IF YOU ARE READING THIS PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN...!!!

    Al
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    I have always liked the idea a larger screen on the TREO, as I see that as one of it's cons for my needs.

    Here would be my perfect TREO phone :
    • Treo form factor (without the antenna).
    • But the keyboard would slide down for a PPC-660x size screen when needed and the OS would recognize what screen mode (or actually the screen would slide up to keep the weight at the bottom for easy balance for typing). That way those who like the small form factor have it and never have to slide it to a larger size for more screen real estate, while those who need the extra screen have it. All while have an a keyboard always exposed.
    • Portrait & Landscape
    • OS: Just like a desktop....A dual boot to either Palm Colbalt & PPC 2005 as I have programs I love on both OS's
    • With the dual boot, there would be a common database format compatible with both OS's so common info, i.e....contacts, emails, tasks, etc...can be accessed and edited no matter OS you have loaded.
    • Dual radios...one for data and one for voice so both can used at same time, at least until EVDV becomes available.
    • True VGA screen resolution
    • At least a 1.3 mp camera (saw the first 5 mp cell phone camera the other day in a magazine).
    • Complete office software solution
    • Full Blackberry support and compatible (which is what the latest version of the 660x is going to have when released soon in EU).
    • Voice Command included.
    • Non crippled Bluetooth
    • Built in Wifi
    • CDMA (aka available through Sprint)
    • EVDO
    • No atenna
    • GPS. Just like the folding the GPS antenna, but removable with a port in back of phone where a removable GPS antenna can be snapped on and off as needed.
    • At least, bare minimum, 128 mb of memory, with how cheap memory is now there would also be a 1 gb internal mem option. I figure a dual boot OS option would take around 100 meg of internal memory so high mem is a must.
    • Graphic chip accelator that will be released for PDAs this year or early next.
    • At least a 600mhz processor.
    • two sd slots for memory and accessory.
    • No thicker than the 650
    • And of course, since we are dreaming....no bugs with the first release.
    I would be happy then....
    Check out the HTC Wizard/I-Mate Jam. About 80-90% of what you asked for here, including form factor and larger screen (now if they'd just go at least 430x320 in that size). It's a little smaller and thicker than our precious 650's, but still looks to be a good form factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebadger
    Who needs dual boot, I'll bet we see the emulator first --
    nothing like a Commodore 64 / Apple II / Atari 2600 / Atari 8bit / Atari ST phone (so retro). All we need to do now is emulate PALM OS on Windows Mobile and we can have both.

    I wonder when we'll see a good commercial Windows 95 emulator -- can't be too far off really....
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    Nice. The speaker could be moved to the top, sortof angled towards the front. That would give more space for the screen.
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    Any 700L would stand for Linux.
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    I like that desing, I'd take my with Cobalt and 256MB of RAM (T5 style) if you please
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    Gregorypierce, you said there is absolutely no reason to have to depend on physical buttons to launch certain applications.

    while I like your idea regarding pushing the n button down and navigating to launch applications that way, I just personally prefer having the hard buttons in place dedicated to these apps rather than having soft buttons which waste screen space.

    brighthand, which recently reviewed the new dell axim x51 with windows mobile 5.0, shares this view. I will post a short quote of their review here shortly.
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    brighthand: dell axim x51v

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    "......All in all, I think Windows Mobile 5.0 is a nice improvement, and I go into a lot of detail on things that I like in it in the second, third, and fourth sections of this review.

    However, there are a few things I'm not fond of, like the two soft buttons that have been added to the bottom of every screen. These are supposed to make it easier for you to use the device one-handed, but mostly what they do is take up valuable space of the screen....."
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    Seeing as these devices are moving farther from pdas and closer to mini-PCs, how about letting us customize it like you can PCs? I can't imagine that this would be THAT far off. Palm could feasibly come up with a reasonable hardware base and allow you to choose your processor, RAM, OS, and programs. Not to mention the premium that they could charge to make it also worth their while. This would be very cool.

    Then they could feasibly have a Treo at a lower entry point and could offer upgrades in their model line sooner. I think this would also spur more people upgrading sooner, meaning more sales. Especially when faster processors are released, etc.

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