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    I've thought about that too, bigboy650. making components removable would make the treo the ultimate personalizable smartphone. the only problem I see is that removing components might void the warranty. but if palm gave you a list of acceptable upgradable components to use they could keep the warranty in that way. who knows? we'll see, but palm being as conservative as they are, I tend to think its a long way off.
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    What I really meant is you could customize it via their website much like you can a Dell PC. To me, that would put Palm head and shoulders above anyone else who just offers one product with the assumption that everyone wants the same thing. This could effectively give them an entry to the budget-minded smartphone category, which in my mind is all but untapped. I think someone mentioned it earlier, there are people who may not want/need the power and memory that many of us need. While I am willing to bet most of us here would load their Treos up with the fastest processors, the most memory, and the most advanced components available (like me LOL) Thus they could effectively offer a sub $400 Treo without a contract.

    Of course this would be in addition to having a stock of pre-made models as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the Treos became popular enough to warrant their own OS. POS may be in the decline, but there is nothing to say we won't see the emergence of a Treo Operating System. (TOS) Or even seeing the Treo spin off from Palm as it's own entity, with a line of Treo-like phones and Treos targeted at tech-addicted consumers and business entities. I mean, let's be honest here, the Treo has emerged as a powerful player and a strong brand for Palm. Heck, who are we kidding- it IS Palm.
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    no argument there at all. that really is fantastic idea.

    I hope palm is listening, because I think bigboy650 has a great point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dstrauss
    Check out the HTC Wizard/I-Mate Jam. About 80-90% of what you asked for here, including form factor and larger screen (now if they'd just go at least 430x320 in that size). It's a little smaller and thicker than our precious 650's, but still looks to be a good form factor.
    ya...but it is that last 10-20% that would make it a leader in the industry. I am actually waiting to get my hands on the Universal, as it appears to come closest to what I am looking for.

    And I love the idea of customizing your phone when ordered.
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    Hobbes-
    I like the looks of the universal as well, but I'm not sure if I could use that as my primary line. (Just my own opinion, of course). But as a mini-pc - woah, that thing rocks, now we just need it on CDMA (at or under under $1,000)

    What I don't understand is why we even have Windows Mobile...and by that I mean, how far away can we really be from actually getting a full blown XP OS for these phones? The technology, if not here already, cannot be that far away. With components being perfected in smaller and smaller sizes, I can't imagine we are that far away. They have customized the OS for Tablet, Media, and other variations in the PC world, why not beef up the phone and make it a true mini-PC?
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    This is the design I mocked up a while back:
    http://hipnetic.com/geek/treo_new2.gif

    I've been meaning to get around to tweaking it. I'd replace the up/down buttons with a D-Pad.

    The design you mocked up has a D-Pad that's too small, IMO, and would probably be positioned a bit too low, making the device top-heavy when holding it one-handed. And I've never been a fan of any of the Treo thumbboards, considering them all to be too small to type lengthy text comfortably.

    My design would allow for comfortable one-handed usage when closed. You could still find a contact by typing first initial of first name and then start typing letters of the last name with T9 input, though it would obviously require more keypresses to narrow a search (since, for example, the #2 key could be interpreted as "A", "B", or "C").

    When opened, though, you get a really big screen and a really comfortable thumbboard.
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650
    What I don't understand is why we even have Windows Mobile...and by that I mean, how far away can we really be from actually getting a full blown XP OS for these phones? The technology, if not here already, cannot be that far away. With components being perfected in smaller and smaller sizes, I can't imagine we are that far away. They have customized the OS for Tablet, Media, and other variations in the PC world, why not beef up the phone and make it a true mini-PC?
    As harddrives and gigs of memory...both could be available now...become the norm, I think we will start to see a closer merge of the Win OS platforms...or at least of many of their features. Due to the processors and form factors of the board and chipsets, I think that there still will need to be a "mobile" version though for some time....at least until when or if these come up to specs with laptop chipsets and processors.
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    I am sitting here looking at the list of processes running on my Win XP laptop. If I counted correctly, there are 62 of them. 62 processes!! There is no way I want this kind of bloatware on a battery-powered handheld. Even if M$ adds the tools that allow the end user to configure which services are running, I don't want the whole nine yards in ROM. I much prefer the Unix approach, where you compile what you need and leave the rest off of your device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman6
    62 processes!! There is no way I want this kind of bloatware on a battery-powered handheld.
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    Here is the Treo 800w for those who want to dump the keyboard, retrieve the screen real estate and be able to pocket it.

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    M$ Website Version Treo 800w
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    Quote Originally Posted by juice
    I just made that up, get it, L(landscape)... Anyway I think this would be awesome. PALM ARE YOU LISTENING...!?!?
    http://www.carryonedevice.com/goodtreo.jpg

    that link doesn't work anymore... any chance to see your work somewhere else?
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    Must be back up now I just opened it from the link. Nice design though, maybe Palm should hire you to work on the next WM Treo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juice
    I just made that up, get it, L(landscape)... Anyway I think this would be awesome. PALM ARE YOU LISTENING...!?!?
    http://www.carryonedevice.com/goodtreo.jpg
    ...except, logistically, you can't put the speaker that close to the screen. It's a MAGNET!!! Anyone remember the blue dot that eventually showed up on every Samsung i300 ever made?
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    That too is a nice design, the major issue isnt just teh speaker placement but the size of of the 5way. If that small it has no benefit. The size needs to stay the same, but the phone get longer and less pudgy to accomoidate good enough sized buttons under the screen. Oh, PalmOS and WM5 versions please
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmacfarland

    From a software point of view, I don't know if either the Palm or Microsoft OS supports switching from square to portrait on the fly. I'm betting both don't.
    The newer palms already support this. They have a soft button that brings up the graffiti area. This is the same as having the screen shrink which a keeyboard closed and expanding when you pull the ketboard down. I personally ould love a design like this. Kind of like the old Tungstan T series that did just that.
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    And, exactly how is the Treo 800 mock-up better than the HTC Wizard line (i-Mate; Qtek 9100, Cingular 8125) which is availabable (or soon to be released in teh Cingular case)?
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