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    Built in GPS in the next treo seems like a no brainer to me. It allows you to navigate on the roads, allows companies to know where their phones are, and also allows parents to know where their kids are. For hobbies, you can hike with it, golf with it, and geocache.

    And with Nextel currently having a version of built in gps in their phones, you would think it would be a killer feature in the next treo.

    A guy at work today asked me if the next treo was going to have built in gps, as he likes to hike trails and go hunting, and doesn't want to carry both an etrex and a phone. Sounds to me like the next evolution of customers like us, who didn't want to carry a pda and a phone.

    What do you think?
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    I would like it but does it take a seperate radio? (if so, I definitely don't think it will be in the next treo.)
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    isnt that Treo mostly targeted to the business community? somehow email and trail hiking don't seem to go together?
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    Personally, I feel much more at ease hiking with Garmin in hand, than I would my Treo.

    Maybe for vehicle navigation, but the screen is too small for my liking.
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    How many kids have Treos?
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    If it was a feature that could be added without changing the shape/size, I would think people would appreciate it. If you didnt like it, you could always turn it off right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    I would like it but does it take a seperate radio? (if so, I definitely don't think it will be in the next treo.)
    GPS is receiver only, it measures the strength of satelites and calculates its location, it does NOT send any data..
    (this is a very common misconception where people think it communitcates with the satelites, but it is a 1 way traffic, a handheld simply wouldnt have enough power to reach the satelite)
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    If it was a feature that could be added without changing the shape/size, I would think people would appreciate it. If you didnt like it, you could always turn it off right?
    I agree, if it doesnt add to much bulk it would be a great addition..
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    I'm just worried that if Palm does add a GPS, they'll pick the least expensive/least useful option they can find, just to say they have GPS, and in the process, leave out something more useful.

    Also, if you've ever used a GPS for in-car navigation, you know that the flexibility of placing a BT GPS anywhere in the vehicle is priceless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skfny
    I'm just worried that if Palm does add a GPS, they'll pick the least expensive/least useful option they can find, just to say they have GPS, and in the process, leave out something more useful.
    Yeah, you're probably right about that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skfny
    Also, if you've ever used a GPS for in-car navigation, you know that the flexibility of placing a BT GPS anywhere in the vehicle is priceless.
    One does not explude the other... If you have a buildin one you could still use a BT one too (providing your PDA has BT off course)
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    The TomTom receiver is really small, its like a slightly bigger lighter. The problem is that it's expensive. All the good ones cost about 150.

    Also TomTom crash way too much. I am almost to the point that I want to get a hacked version just to see if it's more stable.
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    No way should this be standard. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. However it would make the device more expensive, many people already have a nav system in their vehicles, and some would never use it at all.

    That's not to say it is not an excellent feature. I am about to purchase a bluetooth gps reciever myself. (I will probably stick with mapopolis not Tom Tom as I have years of experience with it). I just think that this is way too much to put into the smartphone. Sure if it would fit in the form factor (or an even better form factor that the current treo), not hurt the battery life, and not cost any more money or add any additional instability, then why not. But let's be realistic. We can make our treo's do almost anything we want. I would rather have a cheaper more stable device that I can add to as I see fit than one that does it all poorly and costs a fortune for features I may not use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swagner
    No way should this be standard. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. However it would make the device more expensive, many people already have a nav system in their vehicles, and some would never use it at all.

    That's not to say it is not an excellent feature. I am about to purchase a bluetooth gps reciever myself. (I will probably stick with mapopolis not Tom Tom as I have years of experience with it). I just think that this is way too much to put into the smartphone. Sure if it would fit in the form factor (or an even better form factor that the current treo), not hurt the battery life, and not cost any more money or add any additional instability, then why not. But let's be realistic. We can make our treo's do almost anything we want. I would rather have a cheaper more stable device that I can add to as I see fit than one that does it all poorly and costs a fortune for features I may not use.
    There is more use to a GPS than just car navigation, hiking, geocaching, emergency location etc.

    How about this: you are trying to find somebody and they can SMS you their coords and you can navigate there with a click of a button..
    That would be soo cool.
    I know there are Talky talky/GPS that have this feature and think it is really cool..
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    I agree, adding GPS to the Treo will make the device too expensive and I don't really see GPS a feature that a smartphone should include built in. I have a TomTom navigator and I like it like that as two devices.

    Al
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    Quote Originally Posted by chillig35
    isnt that Treo mostly targeted to the business community? somehow email and trail hiking don't seem to go together?
    Business users hike too. It is usually just in the middle of a business district on while on business travel. Heck I used Vindigo to find a post-office in the middle of downtown Dallas last week, and it saved my bacon...

    I want GPS. Or at least some location based services. The carriers seem to be in no hurry to use location based service...
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    Given that I have yet to see a GPS smaller than a small box of matches (not including battery), nor one for much less than $50, I can't imagine such a thing could be added to the already crammed full Treo w/o impacting its size and price in a way that would annoy the many non-GPS users. I know an integrated GPS would not need its own battery, for example, but it still will take up space for its antenna, chipset, etc.

    Treo already has the cellphone location technology for E911 (based on cell towers, indicated by the little circle with crosshairs on the phone screen). Location based phone services would take carrier changes that are unlikely to happen for a single GPS capable phone model. I think these will come someday, when GPS can be cheaply and unobtrusively integrated into every phone. That day is not here yet.

    For now, having a small reliable Bluetooth GPS is the way to go. I have the GlobalSat BT-338, and it works great with the Treo 650. It's small enough that it's not a big burden to carry along with the phone. Would I prefer a totally free GPS built into the Treo with no changes to the phone's size? Of course!! I'd also like 100GB of non-volatile internal program memory and 100Mbps always on global coverage data networking for free as well, while we're fantasizing! Someday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by danjb
    Given that I have yet to see a GPS smaller than a small box of matches (not including battery), nor one for much less than $50,
    Check out this for size:
    http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/
    and
    http://www.garmin.com/products/forerunner101/
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    From the cartoon character perspective…

    I want an HD MPEG4 video camera in the next treo…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treolo
    I agree, adding GPS to the Treo will make the device too expensive and I don't really see GPS a feature that a smartphone should include built in. I have a TomTom navigator and I like it like that as two devices.

    Al
    You may be right but at least offer it in some treos for purchase (price is subjective and with carrier discounts...well )

    Some people like to have seperate devices (I try not to ). If it can be converged without changing the size factor...go for it!
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