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    Quote Originally Posted by jamespaulritter
    My point in my original post was also that the phone was insured and the PDA was not. If it were a converged device like the Treo it would have been insured. I know you can get insurance on a pda but if the mother is already going to be paying 60 bucks a year on phone insurance why not just get a converged device instead of paying another 60 bucks a year on PDA insurance and any way the cost of a decent cell phone and a decent PDA is about the same cost as a Treo so it just makes sense.
    Thanks for the explanation. Interesting thought and I understand your reasoning. FWIW, with Verizon's insurance you would have used up all your replacements for at least one year within 1 month's time and it would have cost you an additional $100 just to do so. Next time the entire investment plus accessories,etc. would be gone unless you paid full price for another uninsured Treo 650. I don't know whether the PDA would be covered under homeowners as suggested the phone could be by another poster. Accessories such as extra batteries and SD cards using it as an MP3 player are easily lost and not part of the insurance.

    I might suggest looking carefully into exactly what and whom insurance covers first. Ask what is required to make a claim. (I wonder whether a police report may state that your 13 year old lost the phone and might create a challenge.) I found out so many interesting details *after* I needed a replacement Treo that I was not informed of prior to signing on the dotted line!! In fact, they were so unclear that the Verizon reps ended up doing good by me because 4 reps, including a supervisor, didn't understand or was not able to convey the details of what the policy actually covered.

    Its a given, hes going to use it as a dictionary, to do list, MP3 player, games, date book and contact list. Then the usefulness will just grow from there. As far as the net goes still you can put an app lock on blazer. Yes he can download a 3rd party browser but if hes going to go to all that trouble to get access to inappropriate material then as said by another poster hes already been looking at and will keep looking at it.
    Essentially the Treo would seem to serve its primary purpose as an MP3 player and for games, and to a lesser extent as a very simple contact list, date book, to do list and occasional dictionary reference when reading and away from home. Don't most phones include most of those features on a basic and adequate level? I used them when PDA phones didn't exist and they are much improved now.

    Regarding the Internet, I think that the other users and myself were not as concerned about pornography and more about the unsupervised access to your child via the Internet by people you don't know, including IM.
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    I only read the first page, but as a parent I would NEVER buy something like a 650 for my son. Regardless of how careful they appear to be for several reasons...

    1) You dont want them to be fooling with it in school, causing a disruption. Most schools around here dont allow cell phones in school anyway.

    2) Can you say theft magnet? I mean how great a target is a 13 year old with a Treo 650?

    I do think that if its something that a 13 year old wanted badly enough and came up with the money on their own, then thats a totally different matter. I would HIGHLY recomend the Lockline (or whatever kind) carrier insurance. Don't put cell phones on your home owners policy as you do not want to jepordize your home insurance coverage/rates by filing claims on a lost/damaged cell phone. It's worth the extra money to just let the carrier insurance cover it.

    Anyway, thats just my 2 cents.
    Last edited by Andrax; 07/20/2005 at 03:12 PM. Reason: spelling
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    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    I might suggest looking carefully into exactly what and whom insurance covers first. Ask what is required to make a claim. (I wonder whether a police report may state that your 13 year old lost the phone and might create a challenge.) I found out so many interesting details *after* I needed a replacement Treo that I was not informed of prior to signing on the dotted line!! In fact, they were so unclear that the Verizon reps ended up doing good by me because 4 reps, including a supervisor, didn't understand or was not able to convey the details of what the policy actually covered.
    STATE FARM PERSONAL ARTICLES POLICY!! We've gone over this a billion times. $30/yr for your phone...you can even insure your case and sd card as well!!! You can even insure your laptop if you want. AND THERE'S NO DEDUCTIBLE!! It might be a little more troublesome when it comes to filing claims, but the prices can't be beat.

    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    Essentially the Treo would seem to serve its primary purpose as an MP3 player and for games, and to a lesser extent as a very simple contact list, date book, to do list and occasional dictionary reference when reading and away from home. Don't most phones include most of those features on a basic and adequate level? I used them when PDA phones didn't exist and they are much improved now.
    Adequate?? You call a phone without a keyboard, adequate?? If you can't input text onto your cell phone at an adequate speed, then it is merely a phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrax
    1) You dont want them to be fooling with it in school, causing a disruption. Most schools around here dont allow cell phones in school anyway.
    Why would the schools care if the ringer were off?? Anyway, I'm sure if a parent asked the teacher to make sure it was causing no disruptions and was to be used strictly for school purposes (dictionary, to do list, what-have-you), that the teacher would prolly want one him/herself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrax
    2) Can you say theft magnet? I mean how great a target is a 13 year old with a Treo 650?

    I do think that if its something that a 13 year old wanted badly enough and came up with the money on their own, then thats a totally different matter. I would HIGHLY recomend the Lockline (or whatever kind) carrier insurance. Don't put cell phones on your home owners policy as you do not want to jepordize your home insurance coverage/rates by filing claims on a lost/damaged cell phone. It's worth the extra money to just let the carrier insurance cover it.
    Hello...you might want to look into the Personal Articles Policy yourself. The only downside to it is that IF you need to file a claim, it'll prolly take a lil longer than with lock/line (Sprint's insurance company). SF's Peronal Articles Policy is not associated with homeowners insurance, they're completely different!! When you file a claim on your phone's PAP, your homeowner's premiums will not be affected. End Of Story!
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    Could be, but State Farm blows, I would never use them for anything. I had the option of adding a similar small electronic coverage through my insurance carrier (laptop, cell phone etc) but it was essentially bundled into my home owners policy, and the last thing you want to do is start filing claims against your home owners policy.

    It all depends on the exact policy which will vary from carrier to carrier. There are other insurance companies (thank god) other then State Farm you know.
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    I've got nothing against 'em. I realize there are other insurance companies, but I don't think all insurance companies offer a PAP. That's the key is that you want to put your Treo under a PAP, which WILL NOT affect your home owner's policy. If there are other insurance companies that have this, I'd happily look into them if their prices were competitive with State Farm's
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    I'm wondering if I should wait on the treo 650 because when the next treo comes out he could either get the treo 650 cheaper or get the next one if its that much better. Do you think its worth the wait?
    Thanks for everyone's advice by the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    Adequate?? You call a phone without a keyboard, adequate?? If you can't input text onto your cell phone at an adequate speed, then it is merely a phone.
    I think we're on the same page for the most part guy. We aren't talking about typing numerous emails on it or reviewing documents. We're talking about a teenager (13 years old actually) putting in a couple of appointments, birthdays, contact numbers and a short to do list. These phones use the keypad to enter letters manually or using T3, an intelligent typer for cell phones without a qwerty keyboard. I used a Samsung i-600 with T3 and it is far greater than adequate for this task, even without T3. So it takes him a bit longer than if he had Treo. Just because you don't have a Ferrari doesn't mean that a Scion won't get you where you need to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by bnsherman438
    I'm wondering if I should wait on the treo 650 because when the next treo comes out he could either get the treo 650 cheaper or get the next one if its that much better. Do you think its worth the wait?
    If you wait until he's 18 they'll have an even better Treo by that time. If you are thinking of waiting it isn't going to be 3-4 weeks -- we are very likely talking several months. If your child is going to be that patient then consider just how much this expensive phone is truly needed. Another thought was getting a refurbished Treo 300 -- I saw them for $80 with no contract commitment. I think that's a great compromise and it doesn't lock you in if you want some flexibility. This will be more than adequate, won't cost you, and you can gauge whether he is responsible enough to get a new Treo when the next generation comes out.

    (Note: Rumors are that Tiger Direct will sell the Treo 650 for just under $200 with a 2 year contract, if you're willing to commit for that long for whatever plan they are offering with it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bnsherman438
    I'm wondering if I should wait on the treo 650 because when the next treo comes out he could either get the treo 650 cheaper or get the next one if its that much better. Do you think its worth the wait?
    Thanks for everyone's advice by the way
    Waiting for the next great device or a reduced price on last years model is infinite. The next best thing is always a few weeks away and the current model is always a hair from outdated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    I think we're on the same page for the most part guy. We aren't talking about typing numerous emails on it or reviewing documents. We're talking about a teenager (13 years old actually) putting in a couple of appointments, birthdays, contact numbers and a short to do list. These phones use the keypad to enter letters manually or using T3, an intelligent typer for cell phones without a qwerty keyboard. I used a Samsung i-600 with T3 and it is far greater than adequate for this task, even without T3. So it takes him a bit longer than if he had Treo. Just because you don't have a Ferrari doesn't mean that a Scion won't get you where you need to go.
    Comparing a thumbboard and a keypad is not even close to the same as comparing a ferrari and a scion...it's more like comparing a ferrari and a motorless scooter. Yea, you can ride the scooter a couple blocks, but it'd prolly be easier just to walk (or write by hand as opposed to input with a keypad). Keyboards are the fastest and most accurate method of input, hands down. I know tons of people who have cell phones with calendars and limited PIM functionality...but none of them actually use it for anything other than a phone. I know a couple people who SMS on their keypads, but they don't type long messages - a sentence at most with abbreviations and it takes them a good while, too. You could type an essay on the Treo, honestly, if you had to (say a road trip, for example). Heck, you could take notes in class with a Treo and input text just as fast as people who are handwriting - and your notes would look a lot cleaner than everybody elses...and can be printed out, too. If short memos and homework are all that's necessary to record on the phone - a free voice recorder, SoundRec, would help you out instead of having to type.

    Anyway...as others have said, there's no point in waiting. It's going to be several months before the next Treo will be available and will cost you a little bit more money. There will also be a time of waiting to get bugs in the phone, additional applications updated, possibly new accessories manufactured, etc. On top of that, you won't be waiting for much of a hardware upgrade...slightly better camera, processor, & ram (which are all good enough as it is for a 13 yr old), and the biggy which is EV-DO (a faster data network, but costs a lot more than the $10/mo for Sprint's service, which is twice as fast as dial-up and fast enough for a portable device and a teenager no less). Some people thing that WiFi would make it into this upgrade, but I say Palm won't release that until the upgrade after this next one. If WiFi is a necessity, which I'm going to assume it's not, then you might want to consider waiting...otherwise just find the cheapest deal on a Sprint 650 and go for it. And since you're going to be putting quite a bit of money into this phone, as long as the service works where you need it to...get the two year contract. There's no reason not to.
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    He's 13. He's not taking road trips. He's not using it to type up essays or class notes (insane on a thumb board.) He doesn't need EVDO. He will put in an appointment "meet mom" occasionally and T3, which you haven't used, works for thousands of adults and businesspeople. He will lose, damage or have the phone stolen and the question is how often.

    Here's perspective: He won't have his drivers license for the next 4-5 releases of the Treo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    He's 13. He's not taking road trips.
    How do you know what he does. You don't have to be an old geezer to travel, take vacations, visit relatives, or what-have-you. I've traveled quite a bit in my young age. And I don't know how you know the poster's son, but if I were the parent, I'd keep my kid away from slinky.

    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    He's not using it to type up essays or class notes (insane on a thumb board.)
    All I'm saying is that I can type with the 650 just as fast as I can write....approximately 35 words per minute. If on a vacation or going to a funeral, or whatever...and he had homework....he could thumbtype a lot easier than he could write with a moving vehicle. Even in class, it could be more beneficial as he already has them in digital format for altering, printing, and reviewing at any time...and it's a lot cleaner than his handwriting, I'm sure!! If he can touch-type...maybe a universal keyboard will work better while in the classroom....it's better than lugging around a laptop - just a Treo in your pocket and a fold-out keyboard in your backpack. I'm just showing potential and offering suggestion. What the child will do with the device should obviously be discussed with his parents.

    BTW, I've just convinced myself to start using a fold-out keyboard and Treo next semester. I can review them no matter where I am. Can't believe I didn't do that last semester. And I'll buy Repligo http://www.cerience.com/products/palm/index.htm whenever my teachers start tossing PDF and Powerpoint files at me!

    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    He doesn't need EVDO.
    No argument there. WAAAYYYY to expensive....and not anywhere close to covering the entire country...just a few of the largest cities.

    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    He will put in an appointment "meet mom" occasionally and T3, which you haven't used, works for thousands of adults and businesspeople.
    AGAIN with the assumptions. I don't know what the kid's gonna do with it...but I would say that a kid in middle school is the limit for having a pda/smartphone. As soon as they're outta elementary school, some kids are prolly responsible enough to have one as long as they have insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    He will lose, damage or have the phone stolen and the question is how often.
    Why is that a question if you have insurance?? You always get the phone back and you just sync it to restore ALL of your data. You can't do that with a normal phone. If you lose your phone numbers, you have to start all over from scratch...inputting with a stinkin' keypad. BLAH!!

    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    Here's perspective: He won't have his drivers license for the next 4-5 releases of the Treo.
    AGAIN...I don't know the kid's birthday or anything, but at the rate the Treo's have previously been released it'll only be another 2 to 3 releases....4 releases at the absolute MAX. If they sign a contract...he's forced to keep it through two releases. But he could keep it for much longer than that - 'til he gets his drivers license, for example, and be satisfied. I'm planning on keeping it for at least 2 and a half to 3 more years - but we all know how that works out.
    Last edited by grndslm; 07/22/2005 at 12:44 PM.
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    well thanks for all your help, hes had it for a month now and its been working out fine, its still and perfect condition without a scratch on it
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