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  1. #21  
    The answer to your question, bnsherman, is yes...it's ok for a responsible 13 year old to have a Treo.

    Like others have said...make sure he earns it. Also, like others have said, a Treo can be customized for anybody. Repligo, Due Yesterday, and Learn?! (this one's a little hard to find, here's the url: http://freewarepalm.com/educational/learn_!.shtml) are examples of programs that are excellent for students.

    As for the car thing...since your kid is obviously a nerd and wants this phone, bargain with him that if he forces you to use the deductible on the phone insurance....he has an entire year stricken from his total driving life.
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    And ignore that Treo 180 post above...it's much more cost efficient to just buy the 650 (and do it with Sprint...the whole reason that the Treo shines is because it can get on the internet from anywhere in the country; Sprint's data service is $10/mo versus the competitor's prices of $40+/mo)

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome
    My dad got me an IBM PC when I was 13-14...

    I remember those, they were a lot tougher to lose at school than a Treo
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    It's not the Treo and how he treats it that I would worry about. It is open, unsupervised access to the Internet that makes me uneasy. Porn downloaded to phones is easily made undetectable.

    Good luck making this decision. It's tough when you have a child who has earned your trust yet there are still things which simply be put on them to be responsible for.
  5. #25  
    I have a responsible 13 year old and 4 weeks ago she threw her tungsten E in the washer with her sheets (no insurance) and last week she left her cell phone out in the rain (insurance).

    A treo is a great device but they are more complicated that unconverged devices so be prepared to burn some time tinkering with it.

    The problem with getting you son or daughter a seperate PDA (not a converged device) is that a PDA is most helpful if its with you all the time to look up a word, check you schedule for deadlines and appointments, family events, balance the checkbook, ect. I never looked into an unconverged PDA for myself because I knew the cell phone would be clipped on my hip and the PDA would be,,,,,,, somewhere,,,,,,,now where did I leave it,,,,,,

    I tried to talk my daughter into getting a converged device but she thinks they are to big

    So I say yes get you son the Treo, Its a good sign.
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by cooneyca
    It's not the Treo and how he treats it that I would worry about. It is open, unsupervised access to the Internet that makes me uneasy. Porn downloaded to phones is easily made undetectable.

    Good luck making this decision. It's tough when you have a child who has earned your trust yet there are still things which simply be put on them to be responsible for.
    You can put an app lock on the web browser
  7. #27  
    If your son talks about technology all the time then he's probably clever enough to know about all the features of the 650 and 'tech-lovin' enough to look after it like it's a slab of gold. If he's anything like me, no other phone will do, so I would say buy the 650 but make him work a bit for it (unless he's been an absolute saint until now and obviously deserves it).

    As for the porn issue, a teenager will find it somewhere no matter what, so don't worry about it. It's all part of growing up.
  8. #28  
    The risks of ownership

    * lost/misplaced
    * stolen
    * distraction in school
    * distraction at home
    * too much time spent on TC

    I don't know what factors makes one "very responsible," but I would suggest these risk factors be mitigated strongly before acquiring for the new teen.
  9. #29  
    My feeling (as the parent of both a 13 year old and a 16 year old) is no. After watching them drop their existing phones repeatedly, I don't think the screen on a Treo would last a month. And I do consider both of them to be pretty responsible for their ages. But there's a difference between how a 13 year old sees "responsibility" and how an adult does. The best 13 year old is more forgetful than (most) adults. Mine left his Samsung flip out in the rain overnight, for example. It still worked, but I'm not sure a Treo, with no flip to cover exposed parts, all those holes for the keys, etc. would have survived.

    If you DO decide to get one, make sure you get a very protective case to go with it. MHO.
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  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim
    * too much time spent on TC
    That is so true, after I got my treo 650, I check TC atleast 3 times a day on most days.

    To the subject on hand, a treo is a powerful tool. You can pretty much do anything with it, (homework, papers, caculator, games). Personaly I find it very useful as a checkbook. (I could never read my handwriting in the ones that come with your checks

    Being in high school I have a question to bring up. How often will he use it? I know my school ofically doesn't allow cell phones (they don't say anything if the don't see it), but they do allow PDA's last time I checked. The teacher can still take it up though if she thinks it a distraction, That means I can't pull my treo out in some clases to make a note or write my homework down becasue the teachers dont' understand the usefullness of a PDA or just don't understand it and take it up anyway. I have to make paper notes and then transfer them to my treo when I can. If your 13 year old spends 8 hours a day at school, and can't use it there it doesn't make sense to buy him one.

    Then again I have one and I am in high school and I have 8 hours a day I can't use it. I think everybody needs a treo, they just have a cool factor to them. Being able to watch movies on my cell phone makes my friends so jelous. The second a baby is born we should hand them a treo. That way they could set a alarm for 3 in the moring to know when to wake up and start crying.

    If you think he is ready for a treo get him one, but like other people have said make him earn it. He will take alot more pride in it and take care of it better.
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  11. #31  
    Listen up initial parent poster! Reasons such as dropping, breaking, losing, and theft do not count as viable reasons to not get a 13 yr old a Treo. Adults on this message board do it ALL the time. You don't have to be a teenager to have accidents.

    The 3 important things that you need to know is that if you decide to get your child this phone:

    (1) You should get State Farm's PAP insurance as it's only $30/yr as far as premiums go and there is NO DEDUCTIBLE!! Every carrier (or at least most) charge $5/mo premium and a $50 deductible. Go with State Farm...but make sure it's a Peronal Articles Policy and not part of homeowner's insurance. You don't have to have homeowner's insurance with them to get the PAP...they're completely different.
    (2) As others have said, he's going to need to earn it. Once he does, make sure he uses it for school. Games are a necessity, but teach him that there's times for playing and times for working. Also, make sure you inform his teachers to not let him play them during class time.
    (3) Once he has this phone for a week, you will be able to use it against him. See http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keat...-cellphone.asp for more of an idea of what I'm talking about. If you need to punish him, this is prolly the worst thing you could do to him once it becomes attached to his body.

    Also, 2 minor side notes: (1)If you're not going to go with Sprint, I prolly wouldn't get it for him because half the fun of owning this phone is the internet (there are numerous apps that harness the internet and make it a great tool...your kid'll find 'em). The reason I say you should go with Sprint is because it's $10/mo. You could go with another carrier, but their prices aren't worth it and a Treo without unlimited data is just as dumb as any other "normal" phone. And (2) don't worry about the porn, he's already been looking at it without your knowledge. Prolly looking at it right now, actually. Really, though...do people go through their teens without looking at porn? There might be a couple, but it's pretty hard to believe.
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    That sounds like good advice. I'll have to check into the State Farm PAP, definitely sound like the way to go.
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    I can't seem to figure whether sprint has a month-to-month plan that you can sign up for without signing a contract. It's not on sprints website but its on palm's website. Does anyone know anything about this service?
  14. #34  
    I'm pretty sure that the only drawback to one or two year contracts is not getting that $100 or $150 incentive that they offer you. I'm not certain, but I believe that prices for every carrier are month to month. You'd want to go with the Fair & Flexible plan...but after you try out the service and the phone....you can decide (at any time, i guess...since it's month to month) if you'd like to sign a contract. You really are wasting money by not signing a contract, but I'm poor....your mileage may vary. You'll prolly need to plan on spending at least an extra $200 on software and accessories...but, again, YMMV. That contract's startin' to sound pretty good, huh?

    I'm pretty sure that Sprint offers like a 15% discount for students...so, ask the salesman at your local Sprint store about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pabo
    there is no such thing as a very responsible 13 year old......
    do they have a cell phone now ?
    That's hilarious but does raise a good point that I think meyerweb notes -- a "responsible 13 year old" is still just 13. jamespaulritter confuses me since in one month his "responsible" daughter had her Tungsten go in the washer and left the phone in the rain. It may happen to adults to but there is a greater propensity at this age. It's a very expensive piece of hardware (add in costs of additional software, accessories, insurance + deductibles, Internet access.) Add in the unsupervised Internet access of which even porn might be a minor issue compared to others, including making your inexperienced 13 YO more accessible to strangers.

    I still haven't read in any of the posts exactly why a 13 year old needs an expensive Treo. I cannot imagine him seriously using it to do homework, papers or reading books on it. It's not meant to be nor is it a replacement for a PC or a paperback. Reading Johnny's post, I think it's very telling as he is a high school student. While there are legitimately positive uses, they are not numerous (even less at 13) and the games, movies and "cool factor" are really what's going on. There will definitely be a distraction factor. Heck, it's a distraction for many adults who will use it primarily for amusement!!!

    If he "needs" a PDA, why not get a cheap PDA to "learn the Palm" that should easily suffice and a mobile phone? It manages expectations, costs much less, is safer, is less of a distraction not a recurring expense.
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  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    jamespaulritter confuses me since in one month his "responsible" daughter had her Tungsten go in the washer and left the phone in the rain.
    My daughter is responsible but she is only 13 and these are the things that happen at that age.

    I have had 2 PDAs hit the pavement but I am a extremely responsible person who goes to extremes to protect my devices.

    Stuff happens,,,, but happens more with teens, responsible or not. I still vote for "get him the Treo". These things are the most useful when they are with you. And the problem of having a PDA and a cell phone is that everyone hates to carry 2 devices so the PDA gets left behind accidentally all the time.

    My daugters cell phone cost 200 bucks and her Tungsten cost 200 bucks I would have much rather spen that 400 bucks on a treo 600 that she would have kept with her all the time and used all the time.

    My Treo is an atlas, 11 dictionaries, check book, date book, 80 meg encyclopedia ect and its with me all the time.
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    I second the concern about having unlimitted access to the internet. I am a firm believer that kids (especially in the teen yrs) should have thier internet access monitored as much as possible. There's alot of scary stuff out here, and sometimes kids need to be protected from thier own curiousity as not to get drawn into things they shouldn't.

    I also agree that having him participate in purchasing / earning it will be both a good lessing in real life responsibility and also insure a greater level of care to the unit itself.

    -jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamespaulritter
    My daughter is responsible but she is only 13 and these are the things that happen at that age....

    Stuff happens,,,, but happens more with teens, responsible or not. I still vote for "get him the Treo". These things are the most useful when they are with you. And the problem of having a PDA and a cell phone is that everyone hates to carry 2 devices so the PDA gets left behind accidentally all the time.
    Thanks for the clarification. Despite being "responsible" I think we agree that there is a greater propensity for these accidents occurring at this age and only that is what makes the difference here. There are costs even with insurance and maybe you have a high disposable income. While she may dislike carrying both devices at the same time, I think that's part of life and growing up and if you really feel it's necessary to satisfy this request, then there should be a significant manner in which to earn it. That still, though, doesn't quite satisfy my Internet concerns.

    The outstanding question I'm most curious to hear answered is what for what primarily does a 13 year old use a high end PDA?
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    My point in my original post was also that the phone was insured and the PDA was not. If it were a converged device like the Treo it would have been insured. I know you can get insurance on a pda but if the mother is already going to be paying 60 bucks a year on phone insurance why not just get a converged device instead of paying another 60 bucks a year on PDA insurance and any way the cost of a decent cell phone and a decent PDA is about the same cost as a Treo so it just makes sense.

    Its a given, hes going to use it as a dictionary, to do list, MP3 player, games, date book and contact list. Then the usefulness will just grow from there. As far as the net goes still you can put an app lock on blazer. Yes he can download a 3rd party browser but if hes going to go to all that trouble to get access to inappropriate material then as said by another poster hes already been looking at and will keep looking at it.
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    bnsherman438 are we just discussing this among ourselves or are you still there
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