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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by gharrod
    pdario, that has been widely rumored Palm was about to sign an agreement with Microsoft. See the link...
    http://msmobiles.com/news.php/3583.html
    At that conference a few months ago this was the buzz that Palm was shopping for another OS to differentiate itself.

    Sorry, but while the Palm WM lisence rumor may have some miniscule thread of possibility (but hardly likely), citing MSmobiles as a reliable source is NOT!! That is one of the worst sites ever and Jacek Rutkowski, the admin over there, is a complete loon!

    http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum...ead.php?t=5893

    First some background: jpzr (Jacek Rutkowski) who runs msmobiles.com and wirelesssoftware.info got fired from Nokia some time ago. Reasons are unknown but somebody say it was industrial spying, others that he had just bad personality. Obviously he got pissed and few weeks ago started to publish more biased articles in both his web sites. wirelesssoftware.info still seems to cover Symbian issues, too, and in fairly objective way, but msmobiles.com is full of good guys (= M$) vs. bad guys (= Nokia, "the biggest anti-Microsoft company on Earth) propaganda.

    Latest thing was yesterday when he published an article quoting a Finnish newspaper with a headline "Nokia and Microsoft on collision course". He wrote a comment meant to be a personal opinion about this article, but apparently used wrong words:

    ================ clip ====================
    "Make no mistake: nowadays Nokia is one of the most anti-Microsoft company ever. Please remember that Finland, country where headquarters and most R&D of Nokia is done, was until recently (until 1995 when Finland joined EU) a communist country under extremely strong influence of Soviet Union, and mentality of Finns still is determined by times of socialism. Therefore don't you ever believe, what Nokia representatives are saying:

    "We are not in competition. Nokia and Microsoft approach convergence from different sides", Matti Alahuhta, the President of Nokia's Handset
    Division, declared firmly.

    And don't bother to accuse us of lack of objectivity: we don't like Nokia
    and we consider it to be an evil corporation - based on its industry
    practices.
    ================ clip ====================

    This caused hundreds of comments which range from suggesting to check the facts before posting that kind of crap, to quote some Finnish history, and of course some angry flaming back. Some writers falsely thought it was an American and Microsoft supported site and wrote some bad words about Americans, but some people knew Jacek's background and revealed that he is Polish, and then everybody was flaming Polish people...

    Today jpzr then blocked msmobiles.com from Finnish (i.e. from .fi domain) but clever people used anonymizer.com for posting yet again some hundred comments.

    Now he has removed the commenting options totally thus resulting also cencoring the already written comments to all articles!

    Obviously he has now lost his credibility in the eyes of Finns and perhaps the regular MS fans visiting msmobiles.com, too. At least I hope even the most die hard MS fans aren't as ignorant and stupid as jpzr.

    http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum...ead.php?t=5893

    And here's some more:

    In case you don't know it, Jacek Rutkowski from MSMobiles.com has real problems and now I'm the target of his crazed obsessions.

    I'd love to keep on ignoring this guy, but it's come to the point where people are emailing me and asking me what's going on. He writes personal attacks against me on his weblog - which get picked up by Google News and alerted to god knows how many people, he's leaving comments on other people's weblogs slandering me and this morning he actually *called my home*. If he lived here in the U.S. I'd get a restraining order. I mean, hey, I have lots of people who dislike me - that goes with the territory of having a strongly opinionated weblog. There are bound to be people you upset. But this guy is special. First, he's personally attacking and lying about me to a large audience, secondly he's actually calling my home.

    http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/1008171.html

    As far as I'm concerned, anything from that cite shoudl be taken with a large grain of salt if not vinegar!
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  2. #102  
    Quote Originally Posted by dutchtrumpet
    who has a palm version and a windows version???
    it came out wrong---i meant to say that many models come out in gsm and cdma with different features on the same model, for example the motorola v600 and the v710. the design of the 650 is great! i think the screen needs to be a touch bigger and the software needs to be a bit more flexible, meaning more apps running at a time.
    Naveen

    Current:Cingular 8525 w/Faria R32

    Next Phone:
    Something from HTC because Palm sucks, so I want a Touch Pro, Touch HD, or a Treo Pro.
  3. #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by morphiend
    i'd probably jump to a windows version in a heartbeat. the reasons people are such palm fanboys is beyond me. from a user viewpoint the the treo/palm combo blows imo.
    Then, you know what! START POSTING AT POCKETPCTHOUGHTS.COM!!!
    -->BtDUN pre- and post- SprintPCS update 1.12 paired to PC and PPC.
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  4. #104  
    Release the anger, young Jedi.
    MaxiMunK.com The Forum That Asks, "Are You Not Entertained?"

    Remember: "Anyone that thinks the Treo should just work right out of the box, shouldn't own a Treo..."
  5. #105  
    Sprint's 'subsidy' policy is based on 18 months since handset change not based on 18 months since they helped you out. It makes no sense, but trust me (as my name indicates) I've been tthrough this drill several times within the 18 month window.
  6. #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002
    " version in a heartbeat. the reasons people are such palm fanboys is beyond me. from a user viewpoint the the treo/palm combo blows imo"

    palm fanboys.. lol.
    hey, if a windows version proves to be better, more stable, no prob. we'll have a winner, and we'll all go for one.

    if it does all its supposed to do without being vulnerable to trojan viruses, worms and all other sorts of good stuff, then its windows treo all the way.. bro!! sho' nuff.
    here's where i'm coming from, my treo (600) comes pretty light on software and BASIC functionality. ringer volume, no mp3 player, etc etc. things that common sense says it should do, it doesnt. so to get it to do things that all phones SHOULD DO already, i have to go buy/download third party software.

    only problem is most of the third party software creates huge stability problems, i only have 2-3 apps (real player, ptunes, microquad) that i might use daily but my phone resets itself at least 3-4 times a day. as one can imagine this is a huge pita. so it's either have a barebones fone that can't do basic things i want it to or put stuff on there that lets me do things but in return causes unstability issues.

    i have no loyalty to palm or ms but i don't really see how ms could do much worse than my experiences with palm. i dont program so i like i said, from a user viewpoint, the treo/palm combo blows and if a ppc version came out i'd switch in a second just to try something new. if the next treo comes out with the current palm os i'd still get it and just hope they've worked out the kinks.

    *if a ms version came out that was more stable and superior os in every way there'd still be people here that would nitpick every little thing to tear it down just because it's from ms.
  7. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by SerialCellBuyer
    Sprint's 'subsidy' policy is based on 18 months since handset change not based on 18 months since they helped you out. It makes no sense, but trust me (as my name indicates) I've been tthrough this drill several times within the 18 month window.

    Actually that is about to change. The 18 months will go to 2 years for $150

    http://www.pcsintel.com/modules.php?...rticle&sid=980
    Last edited by master1m; 06/29/2005 at 01:33 PM.
  8. #108  
    Quote Originally Posted by pda_jedi
    Then, you know what! START POSTING AT POCKETPCTHOUGHTS.COM!!!

    I would have expected a clever starwars retort
  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by RICHINMJ
    I would have expected a clever starwars retort
    Was I loud and angry, I'm sorry.

    "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering", Yoda.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion_jedi
    Release the anger, young Jedi.
    I knew you'd have my back, fellow jedi_knight.
    -->BtDUN pre- and post- SprintPCS update 1.12 paired to PC and PPC.
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  10. #110  
    Quote Originally Posted by gharrod
    Archie, KMart bought Sears, in large part, to get the Craftsman and Kennmore names. Thus KMart is the only discount with their own brand line of tools and appliances and has the leverage to force some manufacturers into merchandise they couldn't get otherwise they can't sell to Sears. I find the move brilliant on the part of KMart. You are starting to see Craftsman departments in KMart already. It has nothing to do with their good, better, best strategy. Not my opinion, fact.
    Sooooo... why did you bring it up then?

    Do you still think that they will be introducing a good, better, best type family. Let me just point you to a quote from a Palm official.

    In the TreoCentral interview of Rob Haitani, he states:
    You can have a lineup of low-end and high-end products, but ultimately the buyers of the low-end product ask why we canít add the features of the high-end product, and the owners of the high-end product are burdened with features they donít need.

    From this, you deduce that we will be getting a good, better, best family of Treo's? Or does it come from Sears' strategy which backrupted the company?
  11. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by pdario
    When you say Microsoft Mobile are you implying that the Treo will change OS platforms to Pocket PC??
    I am implying that Palm will be offering both a Treo with M$ Mobile 5.0 and a Treo with PalmOS 5.4. Only time will tell what will materialize and become reality though.
  12. #112  
    gfunk, without regard to the site that was just one of many who were reporting that "rumor" earlier this year. Thank you for pointing out that the MSMobile site is crap.

    I am really tired of people like Archie just in here flaming. Maybe the mods should take care of that.
  13. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by archie
    Sooooo... why did you bring it up then?

    Do you still think that they will be introducing a good, better, best type family. Let me just point you to a quote from a Palm official.

    In the TreoCentral interview of Rob Haitani, he states:
    You can have a lineup of low-end and high-end products, but ultimately the buyers of the low-end product ask why we canít add the features of the high-end product, and the owners of the high-end product are burdened with features they donít need.

    From this, you deduce that we will be getting a good, better, best family of Treo's? Or does it come from Sears' strategy which backrupted the company?

    Actually I've read that rumor too on other forums, regardless of the Rob Haitani article. Specifically there are a couple rumors floating around:

    One that there will be at least one new lower end model released this year which will be spec'd somewhere between the Treo 600 and 650. This is supposed to fill the lower end void in PalmOne smartphone plans. However it should be noted that many wireless carriers are still selling the Treo 600 which is currently the lower end model...But Sprint did just remove the Tero 600 from it's product website fyi...

    The second rumor is that the next gen Treo will be released in early 2006 apparently slated for a presumed/rumored March 6, 2006 launch. It is rumored to be initally Sprint branded (of course) with 1xEvDo radio and all around incremental spec upgrades but without integrated wifi..
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  14. #114  
    Quote Originally Posted by gfunkmagic
    the next gen Treo will be released in early 2006 apparently slated for a presumed/rumored March 6, 2006 launch.
    I was hoping for a release this fall, (if this is true) I may have to upgrade from my 600 to the 650. I was trying to hold out (due to all the glitches with the 650), but I can't wait that long to move up.
    Make It Happen!!
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  15. #115  
    In order for these devices to really take off at the consumer level Palm would need to reach the $200 range. IMO.

    On the corporate end, they are getting killed by blackberry on device cost. Carriers are giving away the BB vs $200+ for a Treo. IMO.
  16. #116  
    i love the design of the treo, i just wish the screen was a touch bigger. for palm treo to hurt bb sales, they need to offer a model that offers windows version that will offer bb service and bb, (the handhelds) will be history. also, i hope the next gen treo does offer two versions, a palm os and a windows os, a better camera, dun for everyone, and wi fi
    Naveen

    Current:Cingular 8525 w/Faria R32

    Next Phone:
    Something from HTC because Palm sucks, so I want a Touch Pro, Touch HD, or a Treo Pro.
  17. #117  
    The first big rumor of the next Treo release is always so much fun .
  18. #118  
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder God
    i love the design of the treo, i just wish the screen was a touch bigger. for palm treo to hurt bb sales, they need to offer a model that offers windows version that will offer bb service and bb, (the handhelds) will be history. also, i hope the next gen treo does offer two versions, a palm os and a windows os, a better camera, dun for everyone, and wi fi

    Regarding BB, what people forget is that RIM released the BB Connect Client for Palmos freaking ages ago!!!!

    But for some stupid reason, it hasn't been offered as an option for the Treo! Most likely the limiting factor is probably the wireless carriers themselves which ma be preventing this. However since it was reported that Rim finally made deals with Sprint etc, maybe the future ver of the Treo will finally have the BB connect client bundled with it...
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  19. #119  
    Quote Originally Posted by GolfBallMan
    In order for these devices to really take off at the consumer level Palm would need to reach the $200 range. IMO.

    On the corporate end, they are getting killed by blackberry on device cost. Carriers are giving away the BB vs $200+ for a Treo. IMO.
    I agree 100%!

    Do you remember when the Palm Zire, an entry level pda, went over one million sales:

    http://brighthand.com/article/Zire_P..._Million_Sales

    Part of the reason that the Zire was so successful was it's price range. If the Treo is to be equally successful, then it'll have to be competitively priced also.
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  20. #120  
    FWIW, if Palm does switch to MS (which seems contradictory to the Linux transition), then WHY would I stay with their hardware? After spending so much on Palm software, if I have to re-buy everything for MS, I am no longer forced to purchase the hardware from one vendor. In fact, I will probably resent this and definitely buy hardware from someone else.
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