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    So I'm considering buying one of the treo's and I was just wondering what is better about the 650 and if it is enough for me to justify paying a couple hundred extra for. Something I'm definitley curious about is if the 600 can play video's, I've heard that it can, but I wanted to know if it really can and if they are watchable.

    So, what are the differences?
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    I never owned the 600. But the 650 has a larger, brighter screen and back-lit keyboard that 600 didn't have. I'm sure experienced owners can tell you more. From my own "research", the 650 has the newer version of Palm and that newer memory system(NVFS?). I saw them side by side, and went straight for the 650 because of the screen and back-lit keyboard.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Keyboard has a better feel IMO.
    Also,

    Better camera (whoopie! )
    Bluetooth
    Swapable battery
    The all important "mirror mechanism"

    A fantastically thought out soft reset hole

    to name a few.
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    The 600 never had bluetooth? I wasn't sure about that, so I didn't list it. I forgot about the removable battery, thanks.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Treo
    The 600 never had bluetooth? I wasn't sure about that, so I didn't list it. I forgot about the removable battery, thanks.
    Nope. Did not have BT.

    Some other differences are the connectors. The 600 uses the old Universal Palm connector. Rocker switch on the side (the 600 had up and down buttons.) Keyboard is a bit different as far as Home and Menu buttons, etc.

    600 also had a Wireless On/Off button on the top, next to the antenna.
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    After using the Treo 650, the 600 looks weird. Also using DUN with BT is really nice, I do it all the time with my laptop, just make sure you have a good data service .
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    i had the same delema weather to get the cheaper 600 or go for the top of the line 650. And well i got the top of the line. if your gonna get something, i say get the best or the best that is out. you will be happy if you get the 650, i sure am. the things that got me was the removable batt, better and brighter screen, and the 650 has edge which makes web browsing faster then the 600. this is my first pda phone and i said to myself why didnt i get one of these things in the first place rather than having a small phone and a pda. well hope this helps.

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    I dont know if I'd say to 'get the best or the best that is out'. I think it's an individual choice with so many variables to consider. I myself just recently bought the 600. If I wanted, I 'could' have afforded the $200 more for the 650, but with accessories and software, I've already spent almost $200 extra and I certainly could and do actually need to buy more in the future. I still need a case and screen protectors. I just could not justify for 'myself' having a $700+ pda/phone combo.

    I have T Mobile and I personally find the speed of the Blazer internet to be VERY fast here in San Francisco. A lot faster than I really was expecting. I have zero complaints in that department, and I have cable internet at home anyway. I havne't run across a site that I haven't been able to view in some capacity yet. I have a 1 gig card that I have lots of music on and listen to that (since I did not have a ipod or equivalent anyway). I find the screen to be fine for my needs. It's not crystal clarity, but I never intended this device to be a replacement for my computer and monitor. I just needed something to allow me to be connected to the world when I wanted to be. I find no fault with the keyboard. It's small anyway and the 650 might be a hair larger, but it wasn't worth it to me price wise. There are also other ways to access keyboard functions such as online keyboard or a plug in that allows Graffiti.

    For me, I could have cared less about Bluetooth although I understand it's important to some. (A personal decision). And personally I dont understand why anyone would want to watch movies on the already small screen regardless of clarity. (Again a personal decision).

    The way technology changes each year, I figure in a year or two something better than the 650 will be out and will be lots cheaper. I reckon it to my Olympus Digital camera that I bought in 2002. At the time it was top of the line for the price and specs (2.0 megapixels) and cost about $400. I know there are 4 and 5 megapixels that now cost less than $400 and are smaller, but damned if that camera I have still does not do exactly what I want it to do. It's still perfectly fine and takes wonderful pictures. I have not found a need for a 4 megapixel camera unless I was a true photographer.

    I'm aware that having 'the best' is a status symbol for some people but I agree for some peope having the best is perhaps a necessity. I'm in no way a power user and considering I was almost going to buy the Sidekick II, I feel I made a great decision for me.

    So yes, there are still many of us buying the 600 and are happy with our decisions. Buy what is best for you and what you feel is worth to spend monetary wise.
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    Couldnt have stated your opinion any better! I myself could have afforded the 650, but after being one of the first to buy the Sony NZ90 when it came out, I am no longer going to be the first person on the block. When you are the first person to own a new product, you must deal with the common instability of new hardware meeting existing software problems. There isnt a month that goes by where I read someone is having problems with any of the Treos. I myself have a Vaio laptop, so multimedia visual effects is not as important to me with the 650.

    In a year or so, I will evaluate the decision to upgarde to the 650 when TMobile implements the EDGE network nationwide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aerick
    I dont know if I'd say to 'get the best or the best that is out'. I think it's an individual choice with so many variables to consider. I myself just recently bought the 600. If I wanted, I 'could' have afforded the $200 more for the 650, but with accessories and software, I've already spent almost $200 extra and I certainly could and do actually need to buy more in the future. I still need a case and screen protectors. I just could not justify for 'myself' having a $700+ pda/phone combo.

    I have T Mobile and I personally find the speed of the Blazer internet to be VERY fast here in San Francisco. A lot faster than I really was expecting. I have zero complaints in that department, and I have cable internet at home anyway. I havne't run across a site that I haven't been able to view in some capacity yet. I have a 1 gig card that I have lots of music on and listen to that (since I did not have a ipod or equivalent anyway). I find the screen to be fine for my needs. It's not crystal clarity, but I never intended this device to be a replacement for my computer and monitor. I just needed something to allow me to be connected to the world when I wanted to be. I find no fault with the keyboard. It's small anyway and the 650 might be a hair larger, but it wasn't worth it to me price wise. There are also other ways to access keyboard functions such as online keyboard or a plug in that allows Graffiti.

    For me, I could have cared less about Bluetooth although I understand it's important to some. (A personal decision). And personally I dont understand why anyone would want to watch movies on the already small screen regardless of clarity. (Again a personal decision).

    The way technology changes each year, I figure in a year or two something better than the 650 will be out and will be lots cheaper. I reckon it to my Olympus Digital camera that I bought in 2002. At the time it was top of the line for the price and specs (2.0 megapixels) and cost about $400. I know there are 4 and 5 megapixels that now cost less than $400 and are smaller, but damned if that camera I have still does not do exactly what I want it to do. It's still perfectly fine and takes wonderful pictures. I have not found a need for a 4 megapixel camera unless I was a true photographer.

    I'm aware that having 'the best' is a status symbol for some people but I agree for some peope having the best is perhaps a necessity. I'm in no way a power user and considering I was almost going to buy the Sidekick II, I feel I made a great decision for me.

    So yes, there are still many of us buying the 600 and are happy with our decisions. Buy what is best for you and what you feel is worth to spend monetary wise.
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    That's interesting Mike. Aerick is right, all about personal choice. I have laptops with ATI and Nvidia graphics, and I still went for the 650 screen because it was clearly the better of the 2. Not necessarily for multi-media, I wasn't even thinking about that, just a bright colorful screen that I can read easily. I was looking at the 600, but next to the 650, it just didn't compare, although it's acceptable. Plus I like back-lit keys.

    If you're waiting a year though, the 700 will be out by then. The one improvement for me would be Wi-Fi. Otherwise if the 700 is basically the same, I may not get it even if the screen is bigger or has more resolution because the 650 screen is enough for me. Maybe if it has more memory.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    I couldn't make an argument to upgrade from the 600 to the 650. And if you are "stuck" with a particular carrier, that's another issue. But with Amazon offering the 650 for $20 - $40 more than the 600 ($100 if you need it unlocked on Day 1), I'd say if you ain't already got a Treo, unless you need it unlocked on day 1, it's a no brainer.

    Cingular Treo 650 - $299
    Sprint Treo 650 - $319
    Sprint Tro 600 - $279
    Verizon Treo 600 - $299
    Treo 600 Unlocked - $499
    Treo 650 Unlocked - $599 (day 1)
    Treo 650 Unlocked - $299 (day 91)
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    Thats another reason why I am not going to buy a 650 soon. When these phones hit the market, they cost WAY too much money! And the bugs (to me) dont justify the cost! I am no longer going to pay $900 for a phone/pda then six months later the phone/pda is sold on Ebay for $400 or less!


    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Treo
    If you're waiting a year though, the 700 will be out by then. The one improvement for me would be Wi-Fi. Otherwise if the 700 is basically the same, I may not get it even if the screen is bigger or has more resolution because the 650 screen is enough for me. Maybe if it has more memory.
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    JackNaylorPE,
    I'm a 600 user, could you explain this one more? Thanks..

    Treo 650 Unlocked - $599 (day 1)
    Treo 650 Unlocked - $299 (day 91)
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    What about the 650 memory problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbehmer
    So I'm considering buying one of the treo's and I was just wondering what is better about the 650 and if it is enough for me to justify paying a couple hundred extra for. Something I'm definitley curious about is if the 600 can play video's, I've heard that it can, but I wanted to know if it really can and if they are watchable.

    So, what are the differences?
    I've had both and to answer your question about movies being watchable. Yes videos are watchable but if you are into clarity as I am, the 650 blows away the 600.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jekswang
    JackNaylorPE,
    I'm a 600 user, could you explain this one more? Thanks..

    Treo 650 Unlocked - $599 (day 1)
    Treo 650 Unlocked - $299 (day 91)
    The price depreciates with time. Just like when a new car comes out, a few months later, the price will go down as it gets old.
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    Yes, but an unlocked 650 is still pretty high and this is a 6 month old phone. It seems to still be popular so the price will only really go down when everyone jumps on the next model. At least that's what I think. And the 600 isn't so cheap either, even though it's less. It's still $400-$449 full price, I think. There was a time when I thought $400 was a very high price for a phone, and that was my absolute limit.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  18. #18  
    Quote Originally Posted by jekswang
    JackNaylorPE,
    I'm a 600 user, could you explain this one more? Thanks..

    Treo 650 Unlocked - $599 (day 1)
    Treo 650 Unlocked - $299 (day 91)
    There are two ways to get an unclocked GSM phone:

    1. Buy an unlocked GSM model from anyone for $599

    2. Buy a locked GSM model from Cingular ($299) and then either:
    a) Wait the required 3 months to become a "customer in good standing" and then ask them to unlock it
    b) Call soon after you buy and beg and moan about your upcoming trip to Europe and ask them to waive the 3 month requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    What about the 650 memory problem.
    What memory problem ? I don't rememebr any memory problem !

    You might say that older models have a memory problem and the 650 doesn't. Design is often a matter of "tradeoffs"....you want something, you gotta give up something esle.

    With older Palms, you lost power, you lost everything....programs, data, etc all gone. The 650 has a file system which , after losing power, still keeps data intact. The downside of this feature is that memory storage is not as efficient. Palm gave us a 128 MB SD card to address the issue, came up with an update for Sprint last month which addresses the problem and will release Cingular's update within the next 2 weeks. Verizon's I imagine will arrive without this issue.

    I have 14.1 MB of free internal memory on my 650....way more than what I need....and haven't applied the memory fix as yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceMike
    T I am no longer going to pay $900 for a phone/pda then six months later the phone/pda is sold on Ebay for $400 or less!
    $900 ? Is that a actual retailer or someone who got an early model trying to dump it for a quick profit. I bought mine on the day it was released for $325.
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