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  1.    #1  
    This person has no feedback. This is the question she sent



    "I purchased one of these a couple weeks ago that was DOA this one
    works turns on holds a charge?? Can I get the esn to make sure it is
    able to be activated?
    Thanks
    Shannon"

    This is the response I sent

    This unit will not be doa. I took it off the Sprint network the day I
    put it up for autction. It works perfectly. I'm sorry I can not send
    the ESN # because that is used for upgrades and other things, so I
    think that only the buyer should have it. I'm sure you understand.

    she sent back

    All the esn is for is to check to see if the phone has an outstanding balance. If it does then sprint will not let you activate it.

    What do you all think? I'm not sending her my ESN number that's for sure. I want to get the best price for my treo that I can, and that means getting every bid possible, but how do I know she will even pay?

    Thoughts?
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    I would never buy a used sprint phone without knowing the esn. if you were fraudulent, didn't pay your bill and put up the phone for auction, I would have to pay your bill before sprint would activate it in my name. I had this happen to me and it sucks.

    Call sprint and ask them what someone can do with your esn. I don't think they can do much. I got the esn from another seller when I bought my used treo. I called sprint, asked them if the esn was 'clear' and then finalized the purchase on ebay.
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    Shannon is probably posting somewhere else right now..asking if this guy is trying to scam her as he doesn't want to give her the esn# :P
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    Why does sprint have this policy? It isn't the phone's fault someone didn't pay their bill.
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    I sold my Treo 600 on eBay when I upgraded to my 650 and provided the ESN with no problem. I also had Sprint and am now with ATTWS/Cingular. The buyer wanted to make sure the phone was free and clear and did not come with a balance. There is really nothing they can do with the ESN other then check if it is free and clear since the phone is still in your name. If you look at other people selling their phone many of them offer to provide the ESN upon request.
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    Kmrauser: my guess is that sprint does this so people won't rack up $200+ in charges and then sell the phone for (sometimes) more than they bought it.

    My problem is that if you don't call and check if the esn is clear, you either have to haggle to sell the phone back to the original owner, haggle for them to pay their bill, or pay the persons bill to bring them current (which saves you a little money I guess). If the bill is brought current, some csr's will release the esn.
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    Mgarza does have a valid concern. A person could call customer service and activate the ESN on their account, wait a couple of days, and report it stolen in order to get a Lock/Line replacement. Customer service wouldn't know if the phone was actually in their possession or not.

    However, if this did happen, you would obviously have recourse. Mgarza would still have the phone, and upon investigation, Sprint would realize that the phone had not been activated on the fradulent number as their would be no phone calls or data use on it.

    So, while someone could try to scam you, you would win in the long run. Like t2gungho, I would also never buy a phone from anyone without checking the ESN with Sprint first.
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    Could they really activate the esn? If hypothetically, someone had a balance on an account and they gave someone else the esn before selling it, when you call sprint to check the esn, they will only tell you if its clear. They wont tell you who owns the account etc because you have to provide them with username/password on the account.

    I think it would be hard to activate the esn twice (it would show up that it was already activated). <Granted...Im assuming that the csr's would be doing the right thing by checking who is calling in the first place.> I have had bad csr experiences from sprint in the past so I know its not 100% true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    Could they really activate the esn? If hypothetically, someone had a balance on an account and they gave someone else the esn before selling it, when you call sprint to check the esn, they will only tell you if its clear. They wont tell you who owns the account etc because you have to provide them with username/password on the account.

    I think it would be hard to activate the esn twice (it would show up that it was already activated). <Granted...Im assuming that the csr's would be doing the right thing by checking who is calling in the first place.> I have had bad csr experiences from sprint in the past so I know its not 100% true.
    Mgarza has already said he deactivated the phone prior to posting it on eBay. So, his ESN is clear for anyone to activate. And if he did give it away, someone could activate it. The CSR would take the ESN over the phone, give the programming instructions, and the scammer would just act like he/she activated the phone.

    If someone gave an ESN that was still tied to an account, Sprint would simply say that the ESN is currently in use on an active account.
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    so you guys say go ahead and give it to her? I guess I would not feel so sacred if she had ANY feedback at all. Right now she claims that she go burned on a treo just a few weeks ago, but no feedback to prove she made any purchase at all.
    visor deluxe->clie n760->treo 300->treo 600->treo 650 -> treo 700p -> treo 755p
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    I may not know, but I'll bet my phone does!
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    There's nothing they can do to hurt you with your phones ESN. ESNs are not secure credit card numbers, they are in order from i.e. 09601****1 to 09601****2 etc. You could easly guess a ESN.

    Most phone seller who are selling used phone post the ESN.

    Don't be so paraniod.

    Give her the ESN.
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    ClarenceCM3 is not right. Reread my above posts. There ABSOLUTELY is something that girl could do with your ESN, but if she tried to defraud you, you would have remedies with Sprint.

    The most likely scenario is that she's trying to make sure you're not trying to rip her off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterFuhrman
    ClarenceCM3 is not right. Reread my above posts. There ABSOLUTELY is something that girl could do with your ESN, but if she tried to defraud you, you would have remedies with Sprint.

    The most likely scenario is that she's trying to make sure you're not trying to rip her off.

    Like I said in my post. ESN are not Credit Card Numbers, they are in order. plus the ESNs are placed on the phones' Box. You can goto a sprint store and steal a ESN from a non activated phone. PLus Lockline requires a Test call for all used phones "to make sure you actully have it and its working". Plus Lockline make you wait 30 days for the insurance to take affect.

    Don't be so paranoid, Give her the ESN.
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    I sold several cell phones on E bay and had numerous people inquire about the ESN and asking me to post it on the auction. I called Sprint and they said it was no problem having it listed on the auction. Sprint rep said there was nothing anybody could do with the ESN only and not having the actual phone in their possession.
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    I don't care what anyone says, you can activate an ESN on your account without the phone. Mgarza, if you don't believe me, PM me and I'll let you activate the ESN on one of my old phones on your account. The CSRs don't know the phone isn't sitting in front of you when you read them an ESN. They tell you programming instructions, you tell them it's programmed, and voila, Sprint's system shows a phone on your account that's not physically in your possession.

    Why doesn't anyone see how easy this is? I do advocate Mgarza giving the ESN, but someone COULD try to scam him. He would be able to get things straightened out with Sprint, but it would be a headache.
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    I may be missing something, but why in the world would I want to activate one of your old phones on my Sprint account (and me paying for it) without me actually having the phone in my hands? What benefit would I be getting?
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    Bottom line is if you want to sell the phone give the person the ESN. If you don't I guarantee you will not sell it to anyone who is asking for it. I for one would NEVER buy a phone from ebay unless I was sure it was free and clear.
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    If you've had insurance already on your line, there is no thirty day waiting period. They could activate the phone on their account, claim it stolen, and get another phone from Lock/Line, essentially screwing the actual owner of the phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterFuhrman
    If you've had insurance already on your line, there is no thirty day waiting period. They could activate the phone on their account, claim it stolen, and get another phone from Lock/Line, essentially screwing the actual owner of the phone.

    True, but you still have to go through the Test Call "for used phones"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgarza
    so you guys say go ahead and give it to her? I guess I would not feel so sacred if she had ANY feedback at all...
    Zero feedback people can be a problem on ebay. THink about it - the first thing you ever bought on ebay was a fairly expensive item??

    Buyer beware. I recommend that all buyers use their own preferred credit card. When I buy, I ask for an email with a full description, including the fact the phone can be activated with no additional cost. If this is not the case, it is merely a call to the cc company to report an item that is NOT as described, and an offer to return the item. I have done this with the purchase of a web domain and the cc company told me I was protected on the purchase.

    Think of it this way - either both of you are being honest, or one of you may be trying to scam the other.

    The buyer has to determine if you are scamming them, but has recourse (unless they send you cash). If they have no feedback, they are probably not verified on PAYPAL either, AND IF THEY ARE NOT VERIFIED, YOU MAY SEND THE ITEM AND HAVE PAYPAL RECIND THE PAYMENT - now you are out the device and the money.

    The seller has to determine if they are being scammed - let's see, they wan the ESN and have never bought before on ebay - how do they know what to do with the esn, and would someone actually spend this kind of cash on a first online purchase ?? Not to accuse them of anything, but there are probably other buyers out there.

    I've sold probably a dozen treos on ebay and NEVER provide the esn. Again it is who do you want take the risk....
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