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  1. #21  
    you can unscrew the antenna safely- it's annoying as heck and it risks getting dust and other unwanted stuff in the case though. the antenna is held on by the one torx screw nearest it.
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  2. #22  
    When I use mine on a plane, I hook a thumb over the antenna to make it less noticeable, and hold the stylus in my other hand. Looks like a PDA that way, and not a phone.
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  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by Fabricguy
    Did you mean FAA?

    no, FAR. Federal Aviation Regulations.

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    #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    When I use mine on a plane, I hook a thumb over the antenna to make it less noticeable, and hold the stylus in my other hand. Looks like a PDA that way, and not a phone.

    I do the same.
    It has always worked for me.
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe
    no, FAR. Federal Aviation Regulations.

    Also Federal Accounting Regulations, but not in regards to this thread.
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    #26  
    I usually fly United. I've had no problems with them. I've been asked a couple of time to show the "wireless mode off" screen, and then they're happy.

    I've hear Southwest is the worst on this. If it's a cell phone, they want it off.
    Less than 400 posts to get my own little treo icon!
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by girlieleep
    I hope they don't lift the cellphone ban. It's bad enough to be on the ground when the door's still open and you've got some dingbat next to you yammering about how drunk she was the night before, but at least it has an ending point.
    I'm with girlie. But they dont actually work for calls in the air do they?
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by santa
    I usually fly United. I've had no problems with them. I've been asked a couple of time to show the "wireless mode off" screen, and then they're happy.

    I've hear Southwest is the worst on this. If it's a cell phone, they want it off.
    I did have a problem on United a few years ago. I had a Kyocera 6035 at the time. I tried explaining that the cell phone part was off, but the flight attendant wasn't buying it. She kept insisting that all devices with "cellular technology" could not be used on the plane. I finally had to relent and put it away.
  9. #29  
    On the Flight Attendant issue, as soon as they say something, simply state, that the "through 10,000 call has been accomplished and I am complying with the FAR's as well as <airline's name> operating specifications, my phone is off." They will have no response available to use as a reply.[/QUOTE]


    I feel this is poor advice and I would advise against this tact with a flight attendant. I deal with Flight Attendants more than most and in my experience it is best to comply with there directions. In the wake of Sept 11th, there is no sense of humor when it comes to compliance with crew member instructions. Try and politely explain that your treo has an airplane mode. If the point is lost on them and they insist you turn it off then please do so. (Remeber who is serving your meal.) If you start spouting off about operations specifications and FARs you will likely get the Captain involved and the outcome will never be good for you, the passenger. Trust me on this.

    The original poster should know better.
  10. #30  
    On the Flight Attendant issue, as soon as they say something, simply state, that the "through 10,000 call has been accomplished and I am complying with the FAR's as well as <airline's name> operating specifications, my phone is off." They will have no response available to use as a reply.[/QUOTE]


    I feel this is poor advice and I would advise against this tact with a flight attendant. I deal with Flight Attendants more than most and in my experience it is best to comply with there directions. In the wake of Sept 11th, there is no sense of humor when it comes to compliance with crew member instructions. Try and politely explain that your treo has an airplane mode. If the point is lost on them and they insist you turn it off then please do so. (Remeber who is serving your meal.) If you start spouting off about operations specifications and FARs you will likely get the Captain involved and the outcome will never be good for you, the passenger. Trust me on this.

    The original poster should know better.
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    sorry about the double post
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by armour
    On the Flight Attendant issue, as soon as they say something, simply state, that the "through 10,000 call has been accomplished and I am complying with the FAR's as well as <airline's name> operating specifications, my phone is off." They will have no response available to use as a reply.

    I feel this is poor advice and I would advise against this tact with a flight attendant. I deal with Flight Attendants more than most and in my experience it is best to comply with there directions. In the wake of Sept 11th, there is no sense of humor when it comes to compliance with crew member instructions. Try and politely explain that your treo has an airplane mode. If the point is lost on them and they insist you turn it off then please do so. (Remeber who is serving your meal.) If you start spouting off about operations specifications and FARs you will likely get the Captain involved and the outcome will never be good for you, the passenger. Trust me on this.

    The original poster should know better.[/QUOTE]


    Sept 11, didn't give flight attendants "or another government body" the right not to be challenged.

    Stand up for your Rights. You TREO Wireless/Phone mode is off, Plan and simple. Use it freely. If they donít understand show them the manual, if they donít respond to that, Then take it to the their Boss / the captain.

    Compliance, not ignorance.
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  13. #33  
    clarence and armor both have good points..... I think the way to go is inform her and give it a shot, but dont PUSH IT!

    Norm: You were acting like a maniac and you threatened her with a bomb.
    Greg Focker: No, I said I didn't have a bomb.
    Norm: But you said bomb.
    Greg Focker: I said, "It's not like I have a bomb".
    Norm: You said "Bomb" on an airplane.
    Greg Focker: What's wrong with saying 'Bomb' on an airplane?
    Norm: You can't say 'Bomb' on an airplane!
    Greg Focker: Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb. You gonna arrest me? Bomb bomb bomb bomb! During the war I was a BOMBadier!
  14. #34  
    Clarence

    The use of portable electronic devices on board aircraft is at the discretion of the Airline you fly. It is their interpertation of the FARs that matter, not yours. The Airline that I work for does allow a cell phone/PDAs to be used if you can demonstrate to the crew member that it is in airplane mode. My point was one of diplomacy when dealing with the flight attendant, not about what right you think you have concerning the inflight use of your phone. If the flight attendant came to me with a passenger non compliance issue I would have the police explain it to you upon our arrival. It just seems easier to follow the rules. As far as Sept 11th is concerned....whatever....not for this forum.
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by armour
    Clarence
    The use of portable electronic devices on board aircraft is at the discretion of the Airline you fly. It is their interpertation of the FARs that matter, not yours.

    I really doubt that. Portable Electronic devices must fully comply with FCC rules concering harmful Radio Interference. Simple Wrist watchs, MP3 players, and Laptops are all portable electronic device. If they permit the use of one safe portable device, that must allow the use of all SAFE portable electronic Devices or vice versa. If the FCC states that a device is safe, it's Safe. If We can't use our TREO's then other passengers should not be able to use there Ipods, or Laptops.

    Any one here want to answer this question. Which Device Generate the Most Harmful Interfernce.
    A a Laptop Computer "with built in WIFI"
    A Treo "in Air Plane Mode"
    A Ipod "with a spinning Magnetic Hard drive".


    Quote Originally Posted by armour
    The Airline that I work for does allow a cell phone/PDAs to be used if you can demonstrate to the crew member that it is in airplane mode.
    How did this come about. Customer Complaints.


    Quote Originally Posted by armour
    My point was one of diplomacy when dealing with the flight attendant, not about what right you think you have concerning the inflight use of your phone.
    Diplomacy?


    Quote Originally Posted by armour
    If the flight attendant came to me with a passenger non compliance issue I would have the police explain it to you upon our arrival. It just seems easier to follow the rules.
    Then explain it to the police also


    Quote Originally Posted by armour
    As far as Sept 11th is concerned....whatever....not for this forum.
    You brought this up. What does a TREO cell phone/PDA have to do with Terrorist? Becuase of Sept 11 you can't dis agree with Flight Attendants. Better not even think about asking for another bag of peanut
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  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by armour
    Clarence

    The use of portable electronic devices on board aircraft is at the discretion of the Airline you fly. It is their interpertation of the FARs that matter, not yours. The Airline that I work for does allow a cell phone/PDAs to be used if you can demonstrate to the crew member that it is in airplane mode.
    Which airline is that? I usually have a choice on most of the routes that I fly and will pick them if the fares are competitive.
  17. #37  
    I am a pilot for American Airlines. Our policy is very clear on this subject. I would like to point out that the portable electronic devices that Clarance mentions, buy and large, do not have the capability for transmitting and receiving radio signals. (Ipod, watches, etc.) These rules have been modified over the years because experience has demonstrated that non 2-way devices do not interfear with our ability to comunicate with Air Traffic Control. We have recently changed our policy and now allow you to use your cell phone on the ground but must have it turned off for takeoff. Airlines are never going to change their policy based on customer complaints if they percieve the issue to be one of safety. All airlines must comply with FAA or FCC regulations. They will always go with the most conservative approach. They are a business. They set their own rules. When you buy a ticket, you are agreeing to abide by them. My point to Clarance was that Sept. 11th changed the way that the people in my business view passengers that do not comply with instructions. We have good reason. Flight attendants at my airline are well aware that cell phones and PDAs can be used for more than just calling home. They have made changes to our operating procedures to reflect this. It should not be a problem. If you make it a problem than you are asking for trouble.

    Speeking to Clarance in particular. Just be sensitive to the fact that flight attendants feel isolated from the cockpit. We are safely locked away in the cockpit while they are left alone to handle any passenger distubance. If a passenger becomes visibly aggitated because of a something as insignificant as a cell phone than what else are they capable of. They don't know. You never want to make your behavior stand out to a flight attendant. Of course that does not mean you cannot question the rules if you feel you have been slighted in some way. Our customers feelings are very important. If you do not get an answer that satisfies you than write a letter when you get home. If you chose to be defiant on board an aircraft you will be asked to leave. It happens every day.
  18. #38  
    I refuse to believe that a multi-milliondollar plane using 2 seperate $50,000+ burst transmission radios will have interference from a $300 smartphone. I have a friend who works a Rockwell designing and testing aeronautical radios and he said that they test against interference from cel phone frequencies. Furthermore, the frequencies set aside for airline use are very well protected. Below is a link to the frequency chart.

    That being said I support the policy completely. The last thing I want when flying is to hear someone talking loudly on thier phone. If telling people that it will interfere with the airplane is ther Airline industries easy out from delivering a hard message, then I'm all for it.

    http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

    Lastly, I fly for business about 50% of the year, and I've never had an issue with any of my treos. The 1 time I was asked, I simply told them the radio was switched off, and the device couldn't turn off any more than it was. They asked that I not use it during take off and landing.


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  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by Yensid
    That being said I support the policy completely. The last thing I want when flying is to hear someone talking loudly on thier phone. If telling people that it will interfere with the airplane is ther Airline industries easy out from delivering a hard message, then I'm all for it.
    When the person in front of me has their seat back, if the airplane hits a patch of turbulence, they might get a serious back injury. I think we should outlaw that. I want to make the plane safer.
  20. #40  
    well i fly delta and united- i prefer delta- call me crazy... anyway... both of those airlines instruct passengers to use cell phones while the cabin door is open on the terminal... when that door closes... all electronics- no matter what have to be turned off. i was told my laptop should be turned off during takeoff and landing- doesn't matter if it was in flight mode or not... i dont much mind that... i have also read a few ebooks on the plan with my treo and never got any guff.

    the thing about the interference was best explained to me in this way...
    is one wifi radio or cell phone going to crash a plane? no. but if you have 200 cell phones and wifi radios etc, you might be starting to cause some problems...
    so it's one greater good kinda things- you turn off your phone whatever because you know that everyone else will too.

    personally- i've accidentally left wifi and BT on during a flight and nothing bad happened. i legitimately didn't know it was on... i do make it a point to make sure i turn it off though.
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