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    Quote Originally Posted by takmsdsm
    grrr WTF happened to my thread... and it turned into a political debate and a music is evil blah blah blah blah debate. you guys = teh suck.

    and as far as music effecting kids and stuff... thats a copout for bad parenting and lack of teaching of morals... parents need to be held responsible for crimes kids commit and after that, its their own fault... music doesnt have anything to do with anything.

    I hope this gets closed out. Thank you for whoring my innocent thread about a treo in a music video.
    Someone step on Woof's paw ?
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    Yunno if it had been an ABBA video this never would have happened.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
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  3. #23  
    Let's everyone take a time out boys & girls, put your soapboxes away.
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    Pardon the belated bemused comment but IMHO the original post saying "A TREO in ==that== video ain't a plus" was right on the money.

    PalmOne ****ed up by "promoting" the TREO that way - it'll be REAL interesting to see if The Me-Too Media picks up on that (with their implied negativity).

    Jewel-encrusted TREOs were bad enough, frankly, but this?...
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by takmsdsm
    music doesnt have anything to do with anything.
    What you take in has everything to do with it.

    I guess some folks need a medical study to prove it, well here it is!

    And if that happens with violent content, of course you know content like Nelly's is no good!

    A whole generation dancing it's way straight to hell and all some care about is if they have a Treo . This is terrible PRPRPR $for$ $PalmOne$.
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    #26  
    I'm sorry Darnel, but you know absolutly nothing about the music industry. Please tell me what song Nelly does that talks about raping women or leading up that? Better yet, please tell me what song on the radio today talks or would lead up to that. You are stepping way overboard on that one. If someone is dumb enough to believe everything they see or hear on TV, they are the problem, not what's on the boob tube.

    Do you have kids? If they see something on tv and do it, is it the tv's fault or yours for not paying attention to what they were watching or doing? People are so quick to want to blame anyone else as long as it's not them.

    You are all the right to not like this typre of music or whatever, but to base your opinion on someone off a video that is made to get people talking about to sell albums, well I just want to let you know you are doing exactly what they want you to do. You don't know Nelly and I think it's saife to say you don't know anyone in any type of music. I work in the music industry and know first hand what hype is. It isn't called the entertainment business for nothing you know.

    As for Janet's boob, ya I saw it. Had to go hit the rewind on the Tivo to make sure I actually saw what I thought I saw. That should never have happened. Oh I don't think it shouldn't have happened just because it was the super bowl and kids were watching. I mean come on, it was a boob. It's not like they were having sex. Take your kid to the beach and they can pretty much see that on any given day. That day was the beginning of the end of the Freedom of Speech Right. Oh sure you say that's going to far, but take a look around. Stupid fines for radio jocks for doing thier jobs entertaining people? If certain dj's weren't entertaining people, then they wouldn't have good rating and radio stations wouldn't keep them around. Hey, if a kid is too young to listen to that, turn the knob, it's that easy. Oh and we are going to start fining news stations if someone slips and cusses live on the air. Ya I'm sure glad there will be no live news anymore. Let's just say something really important is going on like, oh I don't know, 9/11 for example. If there happens to be a news crew there interviewing or reporting on something that god damn inportant, do you realize that a news station can't run live coverage becuase someone might run by in the backround yelling holy **** what is happening?

    Everything is being censored and no one is standing up and saying enough is enough. I think I just read an story the other day that in China, they block out certain parts of the web. That means that as an adult, you can't see everything there is on the net if you want to. Oh and they are also starting to basically proof read sms messeges on cell phones and censor anything they feel they want to out of it.

    I know I am taking some of these points to the extreme and losing my thought in the process, but it's time to stop claiming rap music it destroying society or whatever. What kind of music do you listen to. I personlly like a lot of Jazz. Did you know what drug was popularized by jazz musicians? Herion. Oh but they didn't glamerize it? If they were around today and knew it would sell them more albums they would. Maybe you fancy some good old rock and roll. Well the stories I could tell you about the drug use and treatment of women going backstage would shock you. Is maybe Country Music your choice? How about good ol' Hank Willims Jr. Man I grew up on that stuff and boy was he ever a drinker. He'd get so drunk before he went on stage that they'd pretty much have to prop him up and if you were lucky he could make it through the whole set without passing out. Guess what, I don't even drink. Imagine that, I didn't repeat what saw.

    Music videos are nothing but drama to sell music. They are a promotional tool and that is it. Most of the time the video is not about the song. Hell most of the songs are just the same verse and same chorus repeated 3 times. Trust me, if parents would take the time to be in thier childs life a little more they could see through all the bull**** too.

    Oh and here is a funny statistic for you to. 60% of hip hop sales are generated from white kids. Actually I think that number is higher. Wanna know why the white kids buy the music? It's fasionable. Not becuase they believe in it, not becuase they grew up in the ghetto, but because they know it's hip right now. The 80's sound is coming back so be prepared for all those horrible clothing styles and hair do's to come back.

    ok this has gotten way off topic, so I will just end this by saying I think you are a bit to harsh in your judgement of hip hop. Not all of it is bad. Not all of it talks about violence, *****es and bling bling. I was on launch.com last night was was watching new videos. Here is a new one for you to complain about. It's by Big and Rich and I think it was called Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy). Lot's of scantally clad women in it and they actually say bling bling in it. I really could go on and on giving examples of this same exact thing on any popular music out there. Just trying to open your eyes from that tunnel vision you seem to have.
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    #27  
    ha, well look at that, even this website censors the bad words out and I was just typing them to use for an example. Trust me, I'm not complaining about it because this is someone choice and thier website. I just found it funny because I never realized this site had blockers on it.
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    I disagree with you completely. The language of many videos is not acceptable to most of us. The silent majority - and we are the majority by far. It definitely is not acceptable to me. I do not encourage my three sons to listen to anything that has offensive language in it - and yes, the language such as killing others, cop killing, raping women - and that is in the music 'cause I have heard it - the "f" word - yes, it is there and I have heard it - I frankly do not like it and it is not acceptable under any circumstances and is not under any circumstances considered entertainment for my family. Is it censorship? No, it is common decency - the values this country was predicated. The values I was taught in school and seek to see in my children and their friends. I have no problem at all in writing a letter(s) to those companies that promote filth. I have no problems in writing to the F.C.C. and my senator - I have done it several times. I have no problem in writing to the networks - I have done it several times. I have no problem writing to those companies that sponsor the filth we are discussing, letting them know I will not purchase their products, et cetera.

    There is nothing of any social value in the music of those people that vilify our society, its people, its morals. No good comes from blaming others for those actions that are truely under our control.

    Ben - proud to say I am not a victim of anything other than my own actions!
  9. #29  
    Well at least Nelly got rid of that stupid bandaid on his face. What moron thinks that looks good?
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    #30  
    I'm still waiting for the list of songs that talks about raping women.
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    hall316 - Your admitting that you work within the music industry shows your personal bias against anyone that speaks against your line of work.

    If you work in the industry and do any work in Urban radio you've probably heard of one of my sites (Radioblack.com). I know a good deal about the music industry and have been tracking Black radio and the music makers for many years. So don't try and make it seem as if I am naive about the industry. I know a great deal about it and depending on what label you might work with I might even know your boss personally.

    Artists like Nelly and many others use pure garbage for profit and you being within the industry are simply trying to defend in order to protect your paycheck!

    Spin it however you want, you fool no one.

    Which is why most every post other than your own (and the person who started this thread) is totally against that trash!
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    wow - this *is* a dangerous thread and has little to do with owning a treo. however, I must point out that "moral" or "morality" is defined as:
    "of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior". I wonder if ANY of us could agree on what behavior is totally right or wrong. i guarantee you - there is something YOU do that someone else would define as immoral. thus, it's dangerous for us to start throwing that word around in a forum comprised of so many different kinds of people. the one thing we have in common is our love of/use of the Treo 600. we should stick to that. my 2 cents.
  13. #33  
    There is a time when the trash has to be called exactly what it is.

    Here are some more articles about the trash rapper that inspired this thread:

    Nelly's Pimp Juice Threatened By Anti-Pimp Campaign

    KRS-One calls for boycott of Nelly

    Spelman Women Take Music Video Complaints to the Top

    Any attempt to say this smut artist holding a Treo is a positive for the Treo owning community is a farce!
  14. #34  
    Thank you for posting these links. We just continue to let our young people down. The content discussed in these threads just validate that parents should continue to filter smut. If you're a parent of a teen, you can check out the resources for Parents - The AntiDrug campaign.
    Quote Originally Posted by darnell
    Can't say I see it as a positive when folks with negative music associte themselves with the Treo.

    Bill Cosby is right. And Nelly does nothing to help.

    That is why the ladies of Spelman College turned him away!
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    What's the context of the Treo in the video? From the screen caps it's looks weird, almost faked (though I trust everyone else that it isn't).
  16. #36  
    hes like ay pharrell say whats up and the other rapper is on the treo 600 caller ID screen sayin whats up

    quit trippin. just cuz nelly is tight dont go around crying about womens rights blah blah
  17. #37  
    Frankly it is time for the average guy to take a stand on the issue. I sincerely doubt that average guy, the middle of the road person, has a problem agreeing with another middle of the road person on the definition of what is moral or what constitutes morality. Middle of the road American person has a Judeo/Christian background and that background is very definitive when it comes to morality. It is black and white in my eyes and most others. Little room for positioning. Lying is lying. Cheating is cheating. Porn is porn, regardless of how it is presented. I do not do it and do not tolerate it from my children. I encourage my children to be honest in their dealings with other people and to respect them. We respect life and the sanctity of life. We allow others to express themselves and are tolerant of other beliefs, as long as that tolerance is returned. Respect. Tell me, what is wrong with that? I am far more tolerant than those who qualify themselves as liberals - they can generally get their way only thru the court system - the making of law by judicial ruling sucks. (Please pardon the rambling).

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    wow - this *is* a dangerous thread and has little to do with owning a treo. however, I must point out that "moral" or "morality" is defined as:
    "of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior". I wonder if ANY of us could agree on what behavior is totally right or wrong. i guarantee you - there is something YOU do that someone else would define as immoral. thus, it's dangerous for us to start throwing that word around in a forum comprised of so many different kinds of people. the one thing we have in common is our love of/use of the Treo 600. we should stick to that. my 2 cents
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaczman
    hes like ay pharrell say whats up and the other rapper is on the treo 600 caller ID screen sayin whats up

    quit trippin. just cuz nelly is tight dont go around crying about womens rights blah blah
    Well Kaczman, this thread was slowly going down and away on the board, but since you brought it back up obviously we need to continue this discussion.

    bclinger - Right on brother !

    This is not a case of "crying about womens rights". This is a case of trying to save a generation and culture that is dancing to total immorality. Although this article is about a totally different rapper Star Parker is dead on!! We dwell in a society where many do not care for any standards. The lack of those standards manifest it's self in the high crime, high disrespect, high broken home rate, high abortion rate, high births out of wedlock rate (for those not aborted) and low academic scores. All those issues are prevalent in the communities where the "Nelly Culture" is most deeply rooted.

    For some in surburbia the trash from Nelly may simply a form of "entertainment" that allows them to dabble in something different. But for many this garbage is sadly words to live by. Words that should not be endorsed by those in the public who know better! (Maybe some reading this just don't know better.) This trash is garbage that should be readily identified as such. Garbage that we should not endorse even by association!

    This is a much bigger matter than "women's rights". This is about Civil Rights and saving lost souls! The right for people to treat each other in a civil manner with decency and respect! And for folks to realize they can do more in life than what such trash messages from people including Nelly tell them to do. For folks like me and Cosby this is the Civil Rights Movement of today. And it fully envolves deprogramming a culture that has led too many children astray!

    For too long the silent majority has allowed spokesmen of trash like Nelly to use their Freedom of speech while saying nothing in response. That time is up! And it is time for the moral majority to speak up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaczman
    hes like ay pharrell say whats up and the other rapper is on the treo 600 caller ID screen sayin whats up

    quit trippin. just cuz nelly is tight dont go around crying about womens rights blah blah

    Could someone translate this into English for me please?
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
    — Ed Howdershelt
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaczman
    hes like ay pharrell say whats up and the other rapper is on the treo 600 caller ID screen sayin whats up

    quit trippin. just cuz nelly is tight dont go around crying about womens rights blah blah
    TRANSLATION:
    He (Nelly) says "Hello Pharrell. Say hello to my fans." And Pharrell, (who Kaczman thinks is a rapper but is actually a producer) is pictured on the Treo 600 caller id screen saying hello.

    Do not become disgruntled simply because Nelly happens to be a stimulating artist with exquisite musical ability. Please do not become a womens' right lobbyist

    END TRANSLATION

    Wow that was tough. I hope this helps Woof although I'm sure your request was made out of jest.

    -G
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