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    New user here. Just wanted to intro myself and share my kiddie-like excitement for the Treo 600. I'm a pretty active board member from the Sidekick boards... Hiptop.com and have pretty much made up my mind that I'll be purchasing one of these guys come October. I used to have both the Handspring Visor and Visor Deluxe and currently a Clie SJ33.

    I do have a quick question tho.. Will the Treo 600 be capable of multitasking between apps without closing them everytime? That is one thing my Color Sidekick does well, and I'm hoping the Treo outdoes my sidekick in every possible way. I'll probably hold on to the Sidekick for a bit after I get the Treo. And despite what others have experienced with defective sidekicks, both my black and white and color versions have been perfect. It's just the lack of 3rd party apps and good PIM software that are pushing me away. I'll be glad to finally get this all-in-one device and call it a day... Well at least until the next model comes out =P
    Neil
    Handspring Visor Deluxe > Treo 600 > Palm Pre > iPhone 4s & Touchpad 32gb
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    From a user's perspective PalmOS is still going to run one application at a time. From a programming perspective though, the system is running a combination of code resources at any given time. I know it seems hokey, but it's a bit of apples vs. oranges due to the different way that PalmOS treats code resources versus a desktop system.

    PalmOS code resources are always available to one another because of the way that they are categorized when installed. The running of an application is only a part of what the code is capable of doing. That's because the OS has a NotifyMgr which allows callbacks when system-wide events occur; i.e. phone ringing, SMS arrival, IrDA, and a bunch of other stuff. So lots of things are happening with multiple code resources intermittently based on events, but you still usually have one application "current." In other words, PalmOS applications don't have to be running in order to service callbacks. There's really a lot of untapped potential in there which is just now coming into use.

    On my system I have several popup style applications which will pause the current application, do something, and then restore the screen. It's not bad once you get used to it. It's just a programming trick though, as to execute multiple-threads is harder to program on the OS due to the UI limitations. You rarely see any multi-thread stuff. I think TreoMail does some, and that's about all I can recall. I choose not to use multiple threads because the UI is basically not aware of them and it gets really messy, and that's why you usually don't do any screen work while in another thread. It's not a supported feature of the OS. There's other stuff to use which is much more stable; alarms, periodic timers, system events, which with some creative programming can solve many problems versus the brute force way of having another application sucking up resources.

    Anyways, the wireless stuff is still pretty coarse. Email solutions are just beginning to provide some always-on functionality. Email retrieval is not going to be as slick as the Sidekick yet, but for actual usage I prefer my current PalmOS email application (I maintain an open sourced one) over the one I used on the Sidekick. There are some nicely done applications for chatting and doing things quasi-simultaneous. Personally I don't run into situations too often where I am bothered by having to "park" an application temporarily, and then return. It might bother you if you are used to doing that, but I take it on a case-by-case basis and if it bugs me I try to find an open source project to enhance.

    There's a lot of stuff to play around with. What I try to do is find or alter software which fits my usage pattern. That includes a lot of checking for news headlines, IM, and lots of email. I primarily use PQAs or OCC to do the web sites since they come back in a second or two and don't use much power, and I have all of my web sites assigned to hotkeys with a modified switcheroo. So I just bingity-bang to ABC, CNN, Slashdot, Wired, Drudgereport etc with a simple key combo.
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    Originally posted by neoGTR22
    New user here. Just wanted to intro myself and share my kiddie-like excitement for the Treo 600. I'm a pretty active board member from the Sidekick boards... Hiptop.com and have pretty much made up my mind that I'll be purchasing one of these guys come October.
    Hey neoGTR22....I'm another SideKick defector who was an early adopter and had been tracking the SideKick news/hype for at least a year before it was available Oct. 2002.

    I haven't used any other Handspring devices - Treo 270 only for a few days. I'll be holding on to my SideKick as a phone backup. I have not had the same positive experience as you have. I've had 5 SideKick replacements and waiting for SideKick #6 because SideKick #5 was received today with a faulty screen that doesn't rotate the text. The frequency of replacments has pushed me over the edge as well as the lack of third party applications, i.e., synching.

    Anyways, I've been closely watching the Treo 600 threads and also look forward to the Treo 600 release.
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    Bustagroove! I know u from the hiptop boards. As we both know, Tmo replaces all faulty sidekicks with "Refurbished" units. So unfortunately people are stuck in an endless loop of receiving and sending back broken Sidekicks. Sucks. I've just been lucky I guess. But I'm tired of carrying two devices and usually end up leaving the Clie behind.

    Looks like I gotta a lot of readin and use of the Search function ahead of me. I have no clue what PQAs or OCCs are.

    Edit: Thanks for the info potatoho!
    Neil
    Handspring Visor Deluxe > Treo 600 > Palm Pre > iPhone 4s & Touchpad 32gb
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    Originally posted by neoGTR22
    Looks like I gotta a lot of readin and use of the Search function ahead of me. I have no clue what PQAs or OCCs are.
    PQAs are the old web clipping applications that came out with the Palm VII. People could package some HTML and other stuff into a .pqa file and install it. It's pretty clever stuff, and some really liked it, but it's obsolete. There's a mobile internet kit sku p50404u that you can buy, I got mine for $2.99 on amazon, which has the libraries in a CD directory. Or there are some pirated copies of the libraries around if you search here or google.

    A lot of PQAs have dead links in them, but you can always make your own, in which case you could use pqaanywhere or there is something called OCC (One Click Clipping). OCC let's you make an icon for any given URL and when launched it runs it through Clipper. Clipper is the obsolete Web Clipping browser which PQAs use.. it is proxy based.

    Anyways, that's what I personally use for quickie things where I can find a compact site. They are black & white because color Web Clipping didn't come out until OS 4.x. And the pages are limited to like 16K or 10K or something crappity like that.

    For regular browsing, obviously Blazer is there, or Xiino, or EudoraWeb, PocketLink, AvantGo, and some other one I read about on the SnapperMail list I'll have to check out.
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    Ahh ok. Thanks again. I used to use Avantgo for web clipping whiched worked out ok except for the download limits.
    Neil
    Handspring Visor Deluxe > Treo 600 > Palm Pre > iPhone 4s & Touchpad 32gb

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