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  1.    #1  
    Seems there's no limit to how much HP is able/willing to screw up in the process of splitting up its operations. First there was an issue with the Doctors repository, which i've been able to provide a temporary fix for (63.80.4.201 or 195.22.200.42 for downloads.help.palm.com), which is now gone, since all links will redirect to a blank page at mynewpalm.com. Then it was the SDK + images, which was also down as they moved servers. At 23.4.17.24 cdn.downloads.palm.com, it's not dead yet as of this posting. But regular Novacom downloads have gone down with the ROMs.

    Then HP + Facebook purged thousands of our pictures and updates off our pages, with no warning, recourse or means to download an archive. We are still battling them over it.

    Then developer.palm.com has gone dark. It's currently live at 205.140.203.24, but there's no guarantees. It's time to drop everything and archive dev docs, developer forums (Viagra SPAM and all, we'll sort through it later), and the if you need Pattyland's app catalog Google search to work, you'll also need to add this to your hosts file.

    Finally, the open source packages, which i've been assured are securely hosted by LG, are actually hosted at downloads.help.palm.com, which is now redirecting and will no longer be available to us. A gross violation of the GPL license, BTW.

    Old PalmOS downloads: if Alan Morford hasn't archived them while the hosts fix still worked, they are gone for good and will have to be found through the grapevine, because i haven't had the time to back them up. I don't use PalmOS.


    And finally some good news, so that everything i've said won't drive you to the edge of despair...
    Thanks to the generosity of Archive.org (aka The Wayback Machine), a lot of this stuff it still available. I haven't been able to confirm how much, but it includes developer docs, developer forums (how much?), ROMs, and Open Source packages. I still have to verify that none of the files are missing or corrupted, that's today's work for me. But please donate to Archive.org. We will be wasting a lot of their bandwidth in the next month or so. I really urge you, because many Doctors are in excess of 200MB.

    Anyhow, i will do my utmost to resume archiving stuff, will update my Doctors spreadsheet to reflect the changes. Will later put up a SDK and Open Source spreadsheet as well, as time allows. I've been overloaded with work and am in a deep hole mentally, but i've never stopped working on the replacement Cloud Services solution. Hope to see you there soon, as it comes together.


    And a list of things we must archive:

    • ROMs (Doctors) :: i have all of them
    • SDK + images :: i have all images, and all HP-era SDKs, and a Win32 Palm-era SDK, will get others.
    • Dev IDE plugins
    • Online dev documentation :: Archive.org had some or all
    • Developer forums :: ditto, Archive.org had some
    • Tools like devicetool.jar
    • Novacom drivers :: downloading now from Archive.org
    • Open source packages :: ditto, Archive.org had some or all
    • "On-device" help :: mazzinia has most of it (no Sprint Pre-), i have very little
    • Ares Debugger :: i have it
    • Free "App Catalog" apps :: Herrie has all of them, i have some that survived a HDD issue, will verify and re-download the rest.
    • Paid apps, a coordinated effort :: i really must put up a database for all of us to x-ref
    • App Catalog metadata :: big thanks to Herrie, horzel and krotech for the old and new feeds. Herrie and i will get back to downloading comments/ratings and the remaining screenshot images


    Hopefully i got everything. If i've missed something, tell me and i'll gladly update.
    Last edited by HelloNNNewman; 11/29/2014 at 07:58 PM. Reason: Dude- you can't swear in the forums, why would you do so in a thread title?
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  2. #2  
    You mean the "open source packages" for the HP devices, right? I'm 100% positive that that is not on LG to hold onto, and about 99% positive that HP is beyond the standard three year requirement of the GPL at this point (at least in GPLv3, I didn't see any minimum time required in GPLv2, but I only searched, I didn't read it through).. but as all of that stuff is also GPL, people should be grabbing that stuff and redistributing it
    Author:
    Remove Messaging Beeps patch for webOS 3.0.5, Left/Right bezel gestures in LunaCE,
    Whazaa! Messenger and node-wa, SynerGV 1 and 2 - Google Voice integration, XO - Subsonic Commander media streamer, AB:S Launcher
    (1:39:33 PM) halfhalo: Android multitasking is like sticking your fingers into a blender
    GO OPEN WEBOS!
    People asked me for a donate link for my non-catalog work, so here you are:
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  3.    #3  
    Quote Originally Posted by eblade View Post
    You mean the "open source packages" for the HP devices, right? I'm 100% positive that that is not on LG to hold onto, and about 99% positive that HP is beyond the standard three year requirement of the GPL at this point (at least in GPLv3, I didn't see any minimum time required in GPLv2, but I only searched, I didn't read it through).. but as all of that stuff is also GPL, people should be grabbing that stuff and redistributing it
    The thing is, they gave us till January 15th, still a month and half to go. So i still think they could have done a better job letting us archive stuff before it goes to the dump.
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  4. #4  
    I also downloaded a lot of the developer docs recently on my linux machine. There were a lot of links that led to the developer forums that are overrun with spam, so I had to keep breaking out of it and restarting at different starting points to try to get it all. So far I haven't found anything that it missed. I can't remember how big it is, but it seemed fairly small.

    I downloaded a bunch of emulator images months ago, but have to find where I put them. Of course I've had the SDK installs all along, though you really only need the newest one.
  5.    #5  
    Quote Originally Posted by Grabber5.0 View Post
    I also downloaded a lot of the developer docs recently on my linux machine. There were a lot of links that led to the developer forums that are overrun with spam, so I had to keep breaking out of it and restarting at different starting points to try to get it all. So far I haven't found anything that it missed. I can't remember how big it is, but it seemed fairly small.

    I downloaded a bunch of emulator images months ago, but have to find where I put them. Of course I've had the SDK installs all along, though you really only need the newest one.
    I think the old Palm SDK has that buggy "DOM inspector" and in the newer HP version, it's been removed because it doesn't work with the Touchpad. I'll have to double-check, but that's what i remember.


    But anyway, thanks for archiving with us
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  6. #6  
    Quote Originally Posted by Remy X View Post
    The thing is, they gave us till January 15th, still a month and half to go. So i still think they could have done a better job letting us archive stuff before it goes to the dump.
    oh, i agree. someone could easily send them a strongly worded letter demanding access on GPL concerns, but it looks like they are within their rights to not bother. Actually, it may not have been-- didn't 3.0.5 drop in January '12? That might be part of why they set this for January... :-S
    Author:
    Remove Messaging Beeps patch for webOS 3.0.5, Left/Right bezel gestures in LunaCE,
    Whazaa! Messenger and node-wa, SynerGV 1 and 2 - Google Voice integration, XO - Subsonic Commander media streamer, AB:S Launcher
    (1:39:33 PM) halfhalo: Android multitasking is like sticking your fingers into a blender
    GO OPEN WEBOS!
    People asked me for a donate link for my non-catalog work, so here you are:
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  7. #7  
    i have downloaded some stuff, because i planned to develop a scuba dive logbook for webos (but that is long term planning . But i downloaded sdk's, novaterm, sdk-vms and did a download of the developer-website with HTTrack Website copier (not the forums). Some things for windows, some for linux.
    Probably not so much as the posters above but if we make a list what is needed i will check what i can contribute!
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    Well, if you need a contact at archive.org, I know someone. I wish that I had put more of an effort to start archiving things. Hopefully we can get most of it. I completely hadn't considered the PalmOS stuff.

    One a side note, I wonder how much stuff archive.org has that is technically against the robots.txt stuff, but just isn't shown to folks?
    Did you know:

    webOS ran on a Treo 800 during initial development.
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  9.    #9  
    Quote Originally Posted by dkirker View Post
    Well, if you need a contact at archive.org, I know someone. I wish that I had put more of an effort to start archiving things. Hopefully we can get most of it. I completely hadn't considered the PalmOS stuff.

    One a side note, I wonder how much stuff archive.org has that is technically against the robots.txt stuff, but just isn't shown to folks?
    A lot

    Some stuff that's been archived in the past, before a robots.txt is put up on a site, gets put into least-priority storage, and reappears publicly as soon as robots.txt is removed. Robots.txt is temporary, but an archive is forever

    However, i wouldn't know if they ever actively archive files disallowed in the robots.txt. That would be an interesting question.

    But thanks for letting me know that you have friends there. Hopefully the open source packages won't get pulled for "bandwidth abuse" before i get all of them
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    I will actually be glad after January 15th. At the moment it just seems like it's a pile up of crises and problems. I just replied to a new poster asking how to install a patch. I ended up writing a long post on some of the fixes and work arounds for WOSQI, Preware, the app catalogue, Google calendar, etc, etc... (yes, I kept a copy for future postings).

    Hopefully, I can find the time this weekend to do the downloading I was putting off until early next year. There probably needs to be another article too!

    As far as I can see, mynewpalm.com (http://www.whois.com/whois/mynewpalm.com) was registered on the 12th of this month. Possibly, this MEANS SOMETHING, but I don't know what. It looks like a corporate registration - partly because the actual owner is hidden.

    Please speculate wildly.
    Last edited by Preemptive; 11/29/2014 at 11:03 PM.
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  11. #11  
    Quote Originally Posted by Remy X View Post
    Finally, the open source packages, which i've been assured are securely hosted by LG, are actually hosted at downloads.help.palm.com, which is now redirecting and will no longer be available to us. A gross violation of the GPL license, BTW.
    Do you mean these: Open Source Packages - HP webOS open source compliance
    I have those backed-up; but can also still access them from the site (possibly with the host set, I didn't check).

    Quote Originally Posted by eblade View Post
    You mean the "open source packages" for the HP devices, right? I'm 100% positive that that is not on LG to hold onto, and about 99% positive that HP is beyond the standard three year requirement of the GPL at this point (at least in GPLv3, I didn't see any minimum time required in GPLv2, but I only searched, I didn't read it through).. but as all of that stuff is also GPL, people should be grabbing that stuff and redistributing it
    Actually, they are presented here in light of openwebOS and webos Community Edition as well.
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  12.    #12  
    Quote Originally Posted by Misj' View Post
    Do you mean these: Open Source Packages - HP webOS open source compliance
    I have those backed-up; but can also still access them from the site (possibly with the host set, I didn't check).


    Actually, they are presented here in light of openwebOS and webos Community Edition as well.
    You mean actual packages or just the site? For me, it seems, every package redirects to mynewpalm.com

    I will test both alternate IP addresses like i have this morning, but i don't have much in the way of expectations. I'm curious why it still works for you. BTW, i'm in the States, ISP is Verizon Wireless. Perhaps you're located in another DNS/geographic zone, for which the redirect isn't being served.
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  13. #13  
    Quote Originally Posted by Remy X View Post
    You mean actual packages or just the site? For me, it seems, every package redirects to mynewpalm.com
    The actual packages (checked it when I wrote my previous post, checked it again just now).

    I will test both alternate IP addresses like i have this morning, but i don't have much in the way of expectations.
    I checked my HOSTS file, and indeed I still have it edited:
    63.80.4.201 downloads.help.palm.com

    I'm curious why it still works for you. BTW, i'm in the States, ISP is Verizon Wireless. Perhaps you're located in another DNS/geographic zone, for which the redirect isn't being served.
    I'm in the Netherlands. But I kinda don't expect that to matter in this case.



    FYI: I also checked two files from: Palm Support : Palm Desktop for Palm OS devices --/-- HP : Support (Palm Desktop 6.2 and 4.1.4 for Windows), and they both download. Could others validate this? - I don't know how much time I have to back it up if - for some stupid reason - it's not available to everyone.
  14.    #14  
    Lucky you! Please archive the packages ASAP, because i still get the redirect, even with the same hosts entry you have (for the original in-house server). I have tried using wget, which wasn't "contaminated" with a permanent redirect HTTP response, and i still get the same thing. It must be that you're getting HP's European mirror
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remy X View Post
    Lucky you! Please archive the packages ASAP, because i still get the redirect, even with the same hosts entry you have (for the original in-house server). I have tried using wget, which wasn't "contaminated" with a permanent redirect HTTP response, and i still get the same thing. It must be that you're getting HP's European mirror
    The open-source stuff I backed up earlier this month (~9GB of stuff). This includes the novacom drivers.

    Does the Palm-support also redirect for you? - Because that one I have not yet backed up.
  16.    #16  
    Quote Originally Posted by Misj' View Post
    The open-source stuff I backed up earlier this month (~9GB of stuff). This includes the novacom drivers.

    Does the Palm-support also redirect for you? - Because that one I have not yet backed up.
    The PalmOS downloads do redirect for me, that's why i said it.

    Open source stuff has also been archived by Archive.org, but PalmOS stuff hasn't been touched by them at all
    Last edited by Remy X; 11/28/2014 at 11:02 AM.
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  17. #17  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post

    As far as I can see, mynewpalm.com (Whois mynewpalm.com) was registered on the 12th of this month. Possibly, this MEANS SOMETHING, but I don't know what. It looks like a corporate registration - partly because the actual owner is hidden.

    Please speculate wildly.
    On dec 2nd, Meg Whitman will announce hp brand new smartphones, launched under "MyNewPalm" brand, and running LG WebOS.

    https://twitter.com/HPDiscover

    Okay, dreaming again...
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    Not kidding this time... Compare with this one : Whois gram.com

    Mmmmh really dreaming now !!!
  19. #19  
    Quote Originally Posted by Misj' View Post
    The actual packages (checked it when I wrote my previous post, checked it again just now).

    I checked my HOSTS file, and indeed I still have it edited:
    63.80.4.201 downloads.help.palm.com

    I'm in the Netherlands. But I kinda don't expect that to matter in this case.

    FYI: I also checked two files from: Palm Support : Palm Desktop for Palm OS devices --/-- HP : Support (Palm Desktop 6.2 and 4.1.4 for Windows), and they both download. Could others validate this? - I don't know how much time I have to back it up if - for some stupid reason - it's not available to everyone.
    I just downloaded 6.2 & 4.1.4e (UK /EU, with edited HOSTS)

    Edit: Just noticed this 404'ed: http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb/...e/palm.com/dta (but I already have it)

    With luck, it might just be that various bits are going down, then coming back as HP tidies it up..?
    Last edited by Preemptive; 11/28/2014 at 08:54 PM.
  20.    #20  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    I just downloaded 6.2 & 4.1.4e (UK /EU, with edited HOSTS)

    Edit: Just noticed this 404'ed: http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb/...e/palm.com/dta (but I already have it)

    With luck, it might just be that various bits are going down, then coming back as HP tidies it up..?
    Great news. I guess Europe doesn't get the blanket redirect we get here in the States...

    That's a huge weight off my shoulders
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