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  1.    #21  
    Originally posted by aarons12
    i agree that the megapixel issue is highly overrated and indeed, i use my digital pix much more for web than for printing. however it's the optics i'm more concerned with, not the pixels...
    I agree 100%. The problem with these integrated camera phones is not the resolution (some of which I think offer up to 640x480), but rather the poor optics (or possibly software/firmware - which potentially could be updated). And, to a lesser extent (but still important) is the lack of a flash. One of the issues, I think, is that few of the phone makers have any experience making cameras. I'd imagine that we'll see the better camera phones (at least initially), come from companies like Sony-Ericsson and Samsung. I wouldn't be shocked if we eventually see phone companies partner with other camera companies to develop co-branded phones, along the lines of how Sony's higher-end cameras feature Carl-Zeiss lenses. Then again, given the fact that even some of the ultra-cheap no-name brand digital cameras take halfway-decent pictures, most of the phone manufacturers will probably try and plug along and improve them on their own. I agree that the novelty factor of having a camera-phone can only go so far. As this becomes a common feature, consumers will demand (and certain manufacturers will produce) camera-phones capable of producing better quality pictures. I predict < 12 months.

    Scott
  2.    #22  
    Here's my latest design:
    http://www.hipnetic.com/geek/treo_new4.gif

    This is my phone-centric design. Highlights:
    - Same form-factor as current Treo.
    - Outer window has been made smaller (approx half-height), which means that apps will have to be modified to be Treo-friendly and display things differently when the lid is closed.
    -Nice big numeric keypad and speaker added to outside, so you can use it as a phone without ever flipping it open.
    -Flipping the lid open automatically turns on speakerphone mode (unless you have a headset plugged in).
    -No access to application buttons on outside, but the OS will have been modified so that you can use the up/down and left and right selection buttons to launch favorite apps from a menu-oriented system.

    Of course it also features some/all of the following:
    -320x320 screen
    -SDIO
    -OS5/ARM
    -Removable battery
    -Bluetooth
    -Camera w/flash

    I think this could be more popular with the mainstream, due to the more phone-centric design. Yeah, you end up not being able to see as much data with the lid closed, but I kinda like this one.

    Scott
    Last edited by Scott R; 03/09/2003 at 05:55 PM.
  3. #23  
    Very sharp design. I don't like the auto-speaker phone feature. Additionally, you still have a speaker inside the flip lid, no?
  4.    #24  
    Originally posted by KRamsauer
    Very sharp design. I don't like the auto-speaker phone feature. Additionally, you still have a speaker inside the flip lid, no?
    Based on where I placed the new speaker (which would still be exposed when you flipped it open) and the fact that there wouldn't really be any reason for you to use it as a phone with the lid flipped open, there wouldn't be a need for that additional speaker on the inside.

    Scott
  5. #25  
    i like the outside speaker idea especially if it makes the ringtones louder. also like the phone buttons on the outside, and do not think the smaller data window is that big a deal though treoPictureCallerID would have to be modified otherwise we would just be seeing people's foreheads when they call...
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  6. #26  
    Originally posted by Scott R


    Of course it also features some/all of the following:
    -320x320 screen
    -SDIO
    -OS5/ARM
    -Removable battery
    -Bluetooth
    -Camera w/flash

    Scott
    Hey Scott R

    Very nice. Your spec is warm man. Kick the Flip and I think you've got it.
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  7. #27  
    Originally posted by Scott R
    Here's my latest design:
    http://www.hipnetic.com/geek/treo_new4.gif

    This is my phone-centric design. Highlights:
    - Same form-factor as current Treo.
    - Outer window has been made smaller (approx half-height), which means that apps will have to be modified to be Treo-friendly and display things differently when the lid is closed.
    -Nice big numeric keypad and speaker added to outside, so you can use it as a phone without ever flipping it open.
    -Flipping the lid open automatically turns on speakerphone mode (unless you have a headset plugged in).
    -No access to application buttons on outside, but the OS will have been modified so that you can use the up/down and left and right selection buttons to launch favorite apps from a menu-oriented system.

    Of course it also features some/all of the following:
    -320x320 screen
    -SDIO
    -OS5/ARM
    -Removable battery
    -Bluetooth
    -Camera w/flash

    I think this could be more popular with the mainstream, due to the more phone-centric design. Yeah, you end up not being able to see as much data with the lid closed, but I kinda like this one.

    Scott
    Whoa!! Scott, I like that latest design of yours! Very nice...

    P.S. Good effort trying to trying to set the record straight over at ppcts! I would join ya but they banned me!
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by lynch
    Scott,

    I like the new designs. You are right about the Revo's design being too wide for thumb typing. I would love something about 1/2 the length of a Revo form factor which it looks like you accomplished in your sketches.
    I kind of dissagree.. I have used a Revo for quite some time and never thought the keyboard was too big...
    I actually like the KB very much...

    Now I use a Sony NR70V and it has a way smaller keyboard. At first I was afraid it was too small, but is is surprizingly good. So smaller can work too..

    So something inbetween the 2 keyboards would probably be perfect... which is kind of what you suggested...
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  9. #29  
    P.S like you designs Scot! especially the NOKIA-esque ones...
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  10. #30  
    Scott-- Before I got the Treo I thought I wanted a large screen like you show in your first couple of designs. But I've been surprised at how useful the Treo-size screen can be...even web browsing. However, I don't think the screen can go much smaller...that's why I'm a little leery of the Samsung i500's. I think the Nokia communicator style phone is just too big and clunky (thick) to carry around as an everyday phone when so many smaller options are available. But I also see the advantage of having a numeric keypad for making quick one-handed calls...especially in the car. So your design 4 is close to my ideal phone. One of the tricks to making this work will be to find a way to make the external keypad easily findable without looking, with good tactile feedback, without being accidently dialed all the time.

    The one change in form factor that I would like to see is cutting the width and possibly height by about 1/4". It may not seem like much, but even with my big hands the Treo feels just a hair wider than I comfortably like to hold. And then of course they need to do something about the quality of the hinge. It feels kind of flimsy, and apparently many people in this forum have found out the hard way that it actually is! I don't really care about the removable battery...I have never had a problem with battery life. My next smartphone will, however, be capable of reasonable-quality audio and video playback.
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