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  1.    #41  
    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

    I'll take Pacific time as western N. America. I'm going to guess that a late afternoon / early evening time in Europe will allow you to join in the morning and allow anyone in Eastern Europe and Asia to join in their evening. So 1600-1700 GMT?

    If there's little sign of interest, we could go next weekend 12/13 or wait until 19/20. That leaves us one more weekend in the month if there's some reason to delay further. I currently have no set plans, so am happy to pick a date that works best for everyone.

    Items to discuss:
    1. Introductions.
    2. Statement on the state of Legacy webOS (similar to my previous post).
    3. The aims and organisation of a webOS user group.
    4. An updated guide to setting up webOS devices.
    5. The top five problems that the community might be able to fix. (i.e. nothing involving service providers with proprietary APIs)
    6. What can we do to find / improve documentation of Mojo / Enyo (see Shuswap's comment below)
    7. Can we fix & use the webOS internals wiki for technical information?
    8. Can we fix the webOS internals patch feed or manage it manually?
    9. Possible election of officers.
    10. Date of next meeting.

    Happy to add suggestions for this list.

    I will aim to provide a short briefing document for everyone to read prior to the meeting just to ensure we are all 'on the same page'
    Last edited by Preemptive; 08/07/2017 at 03:38 PM.
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

    I'll take Pacific time as western N. America. I'm going to guess that a late afternoon / early evening time in Europe will allow you to join in the morning and allow anyone in Eastern Europe and Asia to join in their evening. So 1600-1700 GMT?

    If there's little sign of interest, we could go next weekend 12/13 or wait until 19/20. That leaves us one more weekend in the month if there's some reason to delay further. I currently have no set plans, so am happy to pick a date that works best for everyone.

    Two items to discuss:
    1. An updated introduction to setting up webOS devices
    2. The top five problems that the community might be able to fix. (i.e. nothing involving service providers with proprietary APIs)

    Happy to add suggestions for this list.
    Yes. Western North America. GMT -7.

    I like the list so far. One thing that I've found daunting is finding out how to work with programs for webOS. I was really interested a little over a year ago. It was easy to find guides on html, css, and javascript, but finding good documentation on mojo/enyo (especially the latter) was fairly difficult. Anyways, it's a topic of interest to me, and I'm sure other people around here must know all of that stuff and have some good suggestions.

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  3.    #43  
    As the list / agenda is at the top of the [age (on my computer at least!), I'll use that as the main place to post items (and I have added some).

    I've thought a bit more and will add this:

    I guess the way these things are arranged is that members select a 'Chair', Secretary, Treasurer etc. and perhaps a committee of specialists - there's not much point in doing this if there are only a few of us or maybe everyone will be a committee member!

    For the purposes of the first meeting, I will act as the chair of the user group & meeting (as far as this is possible in an online system). If there is time and inclination we could have a quick election or do it at the next meeting. Possible officers: Chair / Secretary (can probably be the same person if the group is small), System Officer, Apps Officer, Hardware Officer, LuneOS Officer.

    We could open the group to LG webOS users, but my inclination is not to do this. In the unlikely event that some wanted to join, we could easily get outnumbered and it would just become a TV group. We would then have to start again! However, as LG webOS is webOS, there are many commonalities and of course many 'big names' in webOS continue to work on LG webOS & Enyo, so the door should be open and links maintained.

    Tell me what you think of this as a proposed 'charter' or list of aims:
    • To be a group for users of Palm / HP webOS (legacy) & LuneOS.
    • To provide a point of focus for addressing webOS issues & acting upon them.
    • To ensure clear information is available to users about operating, maintaining, modifying and programming webOS systems. This to be done by collating, linking or creating documentation.
    • To represent user's interest to other organisations involved with webOS.


    I'm (very much) not an expert on IRC and I don't know who, if anyone controls the webOS channel on Freenode. Maybe it's fine for us to just show up and have a meeting. If no one else is present, we could possibly even take limited control if needed. Presently, that remains the default option and is something that can be accessed from webOS if required. If this is a poor option, it might be possible to start our own channel.

    Another option is Slack. This is basically a fancier, user-friendly IRC for business. The downside is that there is no webOS client and the browser probably can't handle the web interface. But I guess most webOS users have either a PC or a phone with either of the mainstream OSes on that will have an app available. Happy to take other suggestions.

    The current plan:
    1. I'll tweet out this thread from @pivotCE and see what happens in the next few days.
    2. If there's not much interest, I'll set up the meeting for the coming weekend. If there's a bit of a surge, we could give it another week for people to register interest. There's nothing to stop people joining later and a smaller group can start up quicker.
    3. Two or three days before, I'll set up a new thread with the exact date, time and how to connect. I'll also post a briefing on the chosen topics.
    4. After the meeting, I'll post a link to the log and maybe tweet that also.


    Warning: No one should expect anything huge to happen or for anything to happen quickly. webOS will not suddenly be updated. No 'saviours' or new hardware will appear. This is almost certainly a project to manage the decline of webOS (ideally by slowing it as far as possible) and making a smooth transition to LuneOS. But LuneOS needs time & the danger is that a beta is put out when everyone has been forced to move on. There ARE a few things that could be done to preserve webOS and even give it a bit of a boost for a while longer. The plan here is to focus on these options.
    Last edited by Preemptive; 08/06/2017 at 10:23 AM.
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  4. #44  
    FWIW, I'm with Rod on this. If software patches are needed, set up a repo, and establish a to-do list.
  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by DougReeder View Post
    FWIW, I'm with Rod on this. If software patches are needed, set up a repo, and establish a to-do list.
    The WebOS Internals patch feed is still alive. We could theoretically just sent patches to their GitHub (https://github.com/webos-internals/patches) and we'd need to figure out a way to update the feeds in Index of /feeds/webos-patches/

    This was automated before, but got broken after the patch portal got compromised some time ago.
    HP Veer (daily driver), HP Pre 3, HP Touchpad Proper 4G/LTE (Sierra MC7710), HP Touchpad 32GB WiFi, Palm Pre 2
  6. #46  
    I'm interested. Timezone is GMT/BST (currently), so that'd be 1700-1800 for me. Pre3 is my daily driver, thoroughly tweaked & superglued to keep it going!

    Admittedly I have some timing issues over the next couple of weekends, so I may not be able to attend immediately, but put my name on the list please. Maybe it'll give me a good excuse not to be seeing visiting family this coming weekend!

    Personally I think IRC is the best place, at least for now. We've already got the channels & those interested are probably active on it already. If it develops further & we need more, then that could be a topic for discussion.
  7.    #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by DougReeder View Post
    FWIW, I'm with Rod on this. If software patches are needed, set up a repo, and establish a to-do list.
    Software fixes are of course the primary way to maintain a software project, but the focus here is general community support as there is little we can do to change the number of willing and able developers. The webOS Internals feed (see below) might be a solution if available, but though not a developer, I do have an account on Github for the purpose of housing open-source apps that are either abandoned or gifted to the community. It currently houses a clone of ClockSync, but could also hold patches I suppose. A suggested to do list could be made for any volunteers who wanted to tackle things and could possibly aid collaboration on larger projects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Herrie View Post
    The WebOS Internals patch feed is still alive. We could theoretically just sent patches to their GitHub (https://github.com/webos-internals/patches) and we'd need to figure out a way to update the feeds in Index of /feeds/webos-patches/

    This was automated before, but got broken after the patch portal got compromised some time ago.
    ...and though all wiki pages appear to be present, they often don't display (which I assume is another php issue). If it is possible to fix the webOS Internals issues, that would be great, but if the only option is manual, we could collect patches from the forums and upload them from time to time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Novaldex View Post
    Admittedly I have some timing issues over the next couple of weekends, so I may not be able to attend immediately, but put my name on the list please. Maybe it'll give me a good excuse not to be seeing visiting family this coming weekend!

    Personally I think IRC is the best place, at least for now.
    Flexibility is the benefit of a small group, so I'm happy to push to the following weekend if that suits everybody (including your no doubt delightful family!).

    So the current plan is 1700 GMT on the 19th* or 20th on the webOS IRC channel. Depending on how much we want to start at once, the first meeting might be longer than an hour. Possibly we could split it into two over the weekend or meet more frequently than monthly to start, but there's no real rush.

    *Misj requests a Sunday.
    Last edited by Preemptive; 08/07/2017 at 09:07 PM.
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by Novaldex View Post
    Personally I think IRC is the best place, at least for now. We've already got the channels & those interested are probably active on it already. If it develops further & we need more, then that could be a topic for discussion.
    I might drop in (if it's on Sunday Dutch timezone; won't be able to do Saturday)...don't know how useful I'll be, but I might as well give it a listen and share some thoughts when I have them.

    But I'd have to figure out how IRC works because I've never had to use it...and I'm pretty sure there's stuff to know beforehand.
  9.    #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by Misj' View Post
    But I'd have to figure out how IRC works because I've never had to use it...and I'm pretty sure there's stuff to know beforehand.
    Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients - Wikipedia

    Basically, once you've managed to connect, it's just a matter of typing in a box and pressing enter. I think the main etiquette is to say 'Good Morning' on arrival & 'Good Night' on departure - regardless of the actual time (because others may be in different zones). You can read old logs for that channel here: Index of /livelogs/webos/. You can see it's been fairly silent for some years, so we may as well use it.

    I'm just reading the book for Konversation which I'm using on Linux: https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/extr...ion/index.html

    Maybe Chatzilla might be a good cross-platform choice as it's a Firefox browser plugin..?

    There is of course, the webOS client: wIRC - webOS & LuneOS Apps on Preware Catalog

    Maybe someone can chip in with a brief intro to IRC. The network is Freenode and the channel is #webOS
    Last edited by Preemptive; 08/07/2017 at 08:43 PM.
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  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by Misj' View Post
    But I'd have to figure out how IRC works because I've never had to use it...and I'm pretty sure there's stuff to know beforehand
    I use wIRC on occasion, it has it's issues, but Herrie is probably a far more advanced user than I.

    Daily I use HexChat after a recommendation from another IRC group of users, and it serves me well! In a hurry the web portal for freenode does a good job too.
  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by Novaldex View Post
    I use wIRC on occasion, it has it's issues, but Herrie is probably a far more advanced user than I.

    Daily I use HexChat after a recommendation from another IRC group of users, and it serves me well! In a hurry the web portal for freenode does a good job too.
    wIRC in general works OK, just sometimes it doesn't connect properly. Restarting it usually solves it. Another annoying issue (on Pre 3 mainly, always was OK on my Veer & TP) is that it loses focus on the input. This can be restored by selecting a message and press copy
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  12. #52  
    > You can read old logs for that channel here: Index of /livelogs/webos/.

    How to read / browse old logs (last few days) in the IRC client like HexChat?
  13.    #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinH@webos View Post
    > You can read old logs for that channel here: Index of /livelogs/webos/

    How to read / browse old logs (last few days) in the IRC client like HexChat?
    The link you quoted is a list of every day up to (usually) yesterday. You can view in the browser. There is a command in the window menu of Hexchat to view the raw log, but I'm not familiar with it and don't know how far back it goes.
  14.    #54  
    I've put an announcement on the channel - in case there are any objections.
    Putting out a tweet now...
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