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  1.    #101  
    Ok, I've started a new thread on how a user group would work.

    I've PM'd the current 10 member interest group, but anyone else is of course welcome to join in.

    There's been some reaction to seemingly positive news from LG on a Korean site here: LG continues development for future generation of webOS

    This is after the VP of LGmobile in Europe seemed to dismiss the possibility of a webOS phone. So many ups and downs to this story!

    I've set July 23rd as a personal deadline. Between now and then, we may see a progress video from webOS-Ports and the ACL from PIC. July 23rd sees the expiry of the root certificates and depending on what happens and how much progress the idea of a user group has made, I'll decide if it's worth continuing. But until then it's full steam ahead!

    Proposals for a webOS User Group

    From now on I'll comment here only about the status report: What should be on it and getting the information accurate.
    Last edited by Preemptive; 05/31/2013 at 09:12 PM.
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  2.    #102  
    Quote Originally Posted by Grabber5.0 View Post
    I thought this forum was the webOS user group.
    Strictly speaking , it's the status report thread.

    (Just between you and me I used it as bait to try and get a user group going)

    ;-)
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  3. #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    This could be added to the status report in the future: The status of webOS as a whole. Here is my first go at it:

    Status levels:

    5. Dominant: The OS is available on flagship, cutting edge devices with a large and growing app catalogue. It is the OS used by the majority of users.

    4. Mainstream: The OS has significant market share (likely in the top 4) and is likely offered on new hardware by at least one large manufacturer. Updates to hardware and software occur. New apps are being created frequently.

    3. Optional: The OS has a decent level of services and apps. It is possible for the general public to buy a reasonably up to date device and run the OS on it. Updates to software occur. New apps are being created regularly.

    2. Enthusiast: The OS is functional, with enough services and apps to be usable and enjoyed by fans of the system. Some development occures. New apps are created occasionally.

    1. Hobbyist: A handful of devices or emulators are run and the code is tinkered with by a small number of hackers for fun and nostalgia. Services and apps available to other platforms are limited or absent.

    0. Dead: The OS is out of date, irrelevant, undeveloped, ignored and discarded. Most devices are off with dead batteries or broken / recycled. It's over.

    Other than zero, there always remains a possibility for the OS to reach any other level, but the lower the number, the more effort & time that will be required.

    Thanks to Homebrew (& ebay, etc.), it could just about be argued that webOS is at level 3 (there are a tiny number of new users), but is moving towards 2 and is probably already there. Depending on what happens on July 23rd, we will either manage to hang on at 2 or start moving towards 1. The ACL could bump Touchpads back to 2, but after a while, it will in effect be an Android machine with a fancy skin. This ignores what homebrew could do to create alternative back up and app catalogue options and in fact one role of a user group could be to research & coordinate such an effort if it becomes necessary. It is to be hoped HP will do the decent thing.

    Excellent

    Really spot-on with the status levels. It looks to me that we are halfway between 3 and 2, falling halfway between 2 and 1, and then back up again, fluctuating depending on the availability of essential apps/services.

    The enthusiasm is there, but the community/userbase tends to go dormant, checking on various projects to see if anything usable comes out, but otherwise just waiting.

    So i really must do my part ...to fill in the app/patch void between larger releases (ports, Open webOS updates) and make it worthwhile for those who are still handing on. Looking back on the time that has passed, i feel awful

    ..now if we would just make it two projects per week, maybe Derek would even find something worth writing about. But then i'm just dreaming. I really do take responsibility for not having done enough
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    #104  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    Depending on what happens on July 23rd, we will either manage to hang on at 2 or start moving towards 1. [...] It is to be hoped HP will do the decent thing.
    Negativity just isn't my thing but I will be realistic and say we just can't rely on HP to do the decent thing. I'm assuming it'll effectively be a 2 for some time after this final July 23 death rattle of the Apothekalypse fades? A defined user group would have scalability and cumulative vision if the the heaps of work required gets co-ordinated a bit. Your 0 thru 5 status report classification idea is good, a built in wake up call if it dips lower than anyone desires with the terror threat level ambiance of a klaxon.

    For a long time the big wireless telecoms in US/CAN/ASIA/EC/(and everywhere without a wireless monopoly) have desired a competitive and sustainable yet truly FOSS alternative to the walled-garden dictations of iOS, Android, BB, and WP. Now, these OSes didn't get the presence they have without the exclusivity of their costly proprietary measures but Ubuntu Touch, Firefox OS, Sailfish suddenly appeared despite the proprietary driver issues most bootstrappable devices present. Hell, even Tizen is a fire with fire response to this, and it just so happens OwOS is a gorgeous and nearly complete alternative to all these. It's also why I am all in with any effort to help float this boat where it needs to, and surely can, go. Whether levelled-up with timely intervals of kickstarter micro-infusions or not, it's good ol' sweat equity that began every successful venture. Game on.
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  5.    #105  
    ...feel free to start posting!
    Of course I have ideas, but if it's just me, there is no user group. In fact I'm not even a group! ;-)

    I'm afraid I can't resist a more colourful description of the status thing, for those fond of 'dead' OSes:
    0 = Dead
    1 = Zombie in a mad scientist's lab
    2 = A Zombie escape
    3 = Zombie outbreak
    4 = Zombie army
    5 = Zombie Apocalypse!

    I'm just thinking that if everyone thinks these categories work (not the zombie version!), perhaps I should do a poll. After a while we would have an idea of where the readership thinks we are and add it to the report as 'actual data'...
    Last edited by Preemptive; 06/01/2013 at 09:48 AM.
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  6. #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    [...]

    I'm just thinking that if everyone thinks these categories work (not the zombie version!), perhaps I should do a poll. After a while we would have an idea of where the readership thinks we are and add it to the report as 'actual data'...
    Aye.
  7. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by sspirall View Post
    Negativity just isn't my thing but I will be realistic and say we just can't rely on HP to do the decent thing.
    Of course you can't because it's not up to HP to roll out updates. The webOS Team is now part of LG's US R&D so if anyone is to roll out an update it's team behind our beloved OS. Unless HP is gonna roll out an update made by people who have experience with webOS but I doubt they're *that* stupid.
  8.    #108  
    My understanding is that HP have retained all the server side of webOS. It IS therefore up to them to update. They may decide not to in order to 'kill' legacy webOS or simply to re-purpose the servers for 'enterprise synergy'. If they do update, it will be good PRPRPR $and$ $probably$ $a$ $cheap$ $way$ $to$ $keep$ $a$ $finger$ $in$ $the$ $pie$ $if$ $LG$ $or$ $the$ $open$ $groups$ $pull$ $off$ $a$ $successful$ $project$.

    Options in order of preference:
    1. HP fix it
    2. HP show homebrew how to fix it (or open source it)
    3. Homebrew work around. (But this might require a new catalogue, server etc.)
  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    <warez site name removed>
    Just a quick note that <warez site name removed> is a site with a very well-known pirate forum within it that's basically screwed webOS devs for years. Palm/HP once had them shut down, but they sprang right back up.

    You can be pretty sure the ACL IPK, when it's released by PIC, will end up there within a day or two. Not exactly a model for webOS enthusiasm or "supporting the devs", that's for damned sure.
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  10. #110  
    Quote Originally Posted by dignitary View Post
    Just a quick note <warez site name removed> Not exactly a model for webOS enthusiasm or "supporting the devs", that's for damned sure.
    Thanks for the word of caution.
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  11.    #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by dignitary View Post
    Just a quick note that <warez site name removed> is a site with a very well-known pirate forum within it that's basically screwed webOS devs for years. Palm/HP once had them shut down, but they sprang right back up.
    Thanks for the heads up, this was actually noted by Vistaus, who originally mentioned it. There doesn't seem to be much happening there, but I'll add a note. I suspect this entry may be removed in the future, but it means the report is at least aiming for a complete picture. To think such people could live in the world of webOS! *Shakes head* I'm shocked!
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  12.    #112  
    I've added this:
    LG WebOS - webOS Forum

    I came across a reference while looking around the forums. This site has apparently been around since August 2011 & has changed it's name from webOSdummies to Open webOS forum to LGwebOS. Given the small membership and minimal activity in that period, my guess is that someone's waiting to be offered some money for the domain from who, if anyone, makes a viable webOS project.

    I may as well add it for completeness...

    Then I'm off to register CocaCola-webOS.com ;-)
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  13. #113  
    lol. Is that pretty much a direct clone of this forum?

    I do like the "Let's Go webOS" = LGwebOS though. That amuses me.
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  14.    #114  
    Quote Originally Posted by eblade View Post
    lol. Is that pretty much a direct clone of this forum?

    I do like the "Let's Go webOS" = LGwebOS though. That amuses me.
    Well, it has two subforums for the discussion of 'webOSnation news' & 'webOSroundup news' which as I recall list article titles, but contains not a single reply... I think it could be the emptiest forum I've ever seen!

    I have updated the report to reflect the app catalogue update.
  15. #115  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    Well, it has two subforums for the discussion of 'webOSnation news' & 'webOSroundup news' which as I recall list article titles, but contains not a single reply... I think it could be the emptiest forum I've ever seen!

    I have updated the report to reflect the app catalogue update.
    We could fill it with Viagra spam in no time

  16.    #116  
    Quote Originally Posted by Remy X View Post
    We could fill it with Viagra spam in no time

    That's status level 1.5: Requires viagra for accelerated performance.

    I have updated PIC's new expected delivery date...
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    Should we send them some V., to boost their... er... development rate?
  18. #118  
    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    Thanks for the heads up, this was actually noted by Vistaus, who originally mentioned it. There doesn't seem to be much happening there, but I'll add a note. I suspect this entry may be removed in the future, but it means the report is at least aiming for a complete picture. To think such people could live in the world of webOS! *Shakes head* I'm shocked!
    Here's a hint: The only consistently active sections of their forum are the same ones that actively screw the devs--for both webOS and Android. The rest is a relative desert of inactivity.

    It should be pulled or at least de-linked, IMO. They don't deserve the traffic.
  19. #119  
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    Members... please notice that we have removed one of the site names you were discussing from some posts. That particular site is a warez site and we do not allow links to those sites to be posted. We have always fully supported our devs and that particular site freely posted ipk's of all of their paid apps. Developers work hard and sites like that who steal their hard work are a disgrace. Let's keep references to places like that banished to north of the wall. Thank you!!
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    Winter is coming...

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