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    I have a Treo 300 and want to sync it without a cradle. Does anyone know if it is possible to do a wireless HotSync over the Internet without having to dial-up(i.e. I want to do it over IP using the 1X data network)? If so, do I need special software and where can I get it?

    Occassionally I'm away from my computer and I want to sync calendars and contacts without having to cradle it. Thanks in advance.
  2. #2  
    To set up your TREO to sync without cables or cradles read below.
    If you have a broadband/always on connection to the internet you will find remote hotsync a life saver. many times i have had to hard reset (press power and click the reset button on back of my treo, upon reboot let go of power, then choose to ERASE ALL MY DATA) just to recover from a phone crippling crash. i regained phone capabilities but lost all software,data, and phone logs. Thanks to Backup Buddy by Blue Nomad ( BACKUP BUDDY ) running on my PC, i logged on to the sprint pcs data network i was able to get all my information back with a network sync.

    ON YOUR COMPUTER (assumes a PC):

    1. Make sure HOYSYNC MANAGER is set to run when your computer starts up.

    a) to do this click on hotsync manager icon near time
    b) choose setup
    c) go to the tab marked GENERAL
    d) make sure a check mark appears before the words
    ' ALWAYS AVAILABLE (PUT IN STARTUP FOLDER)

    2. Make sure HOYSYNC MANAGER is set to accept TCP/IP Network request to sync.

    a) to do this click on hotsync manager icon near time
    b) make sure a check mark appears before the word network

    3. Make sure HOYSYNC MANAGER is setup on your network.

    a) to do this click on hotsync manager icon near time
    b) choose setup
    c) go to the tab marked NETWORK
    d) make sure a check mark appears before the user who
    wants to sync over the internet.
    e) click on the button marked 'TCP/IP SETTINGS...'
    f) To speed syncing enter your computers subnet mask if
    known. ( TIP! running the command 'ipconfig /all' in DOS
    shows the subnet mask)

    ON YOUR TREO 300:

    I. Set up HOTSYNC for Network Mode!
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on MODEM SYNC PREFS
    you can also just press O
    D) choose NETWORK
    E) press OK

    II. Set up HOTSYNC for Lansync!
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on LANSYNC PREFS
    you can also just press L
    D) choose LANSYNC
    E) press OK

    III. Set up HOTSYNC to connect to you PC
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) Press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) Under HOTSYNC Options click on PRIMARY PC SETUP
    you can also just press P
    D) Under PRIMARY PC NAME:
    1) enter "!!"
    E) Under PRIMARY PC ADDRESS:
    1) enter your PC's IP address
    TIP! on windows 9x,ME,XP,2000 to get your address press
    START->then press->under OPEN: type COMMAND->
    and press OK. In the DOS box that opens type
    IPCONFIG. Your IP address is shown. type EXIT to get
    out of dos.
    F) Under SUBNET MASK (OPTIONAL) :
    1) enter your PC's Subnet Mask address
    TIP! on windows 9x,ME,XP,2000 to get your address press
    START->then press->under OPEN: type COMMAND->
    and press OK. In the DOS box that opens type
    IPCONFIG /ALL. Your Subnet Mask is shown.
    type EXIT to get out of dos.

    IV. Set up HOTSYNC for what you want to sync!
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on CONDUIT SETUP
    you can also just press D
    D) By default all your applications are checked
    E) You may wish to speed up syncing by unchecking apps you
    dont want synced.

    V. Set up HOTSYNC for the TREOs WIRELESS MODEM
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on CONNECTION SETUP
    you can also just press S
    D) By default WIRELESS MODEM is highlighted.
    If not click on WIRELESS MODEM.
    E) press DONE

    VI. Set up HOTSYNC for the SPRINT PCS VISION network
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) select MODEM instead of local.
    C) under the icon of the phone and hotsync click on the
    dashed box. probably labeled select service.
    D) You are taken to the network preferences screen.
    E) Be sure the Service is listed as SPRINT-visionname01
    ( where visionname01 is probably your PCS VISION username)
    F) Choose done

    VII. SYNC YOUR HANDHELD WHILE YOUR IN FRONT OF YOUR PC
    A)If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B)Press the phone and hotsync logo to begin the sync.
    C) you will see the words "connecting with the desktop"
    D) you will see the works "identifying user..."
    E) On your desktop you may be prompted to select a User
    Name for this sync. Choose your username.

    If it works twice. Be confident it will work when you need it. Just have to keep your PC on!

    *ROUTER OWNERS OR REMOTE SYNCERS USING NAT OR
    FIREWALL:
    - Be sure to configure your firewall to open up TCP ports 14237 and UDP ports 14238. If you cant specify just choose 14237 and 14238.
    - Be sure that all traffic to those ports goes to the ip of the LAN PC that is running HOT SYNC MANAGER.
    - Remember the IP address in step III part E has to be a WAN address not a private or internal LAN IP address, like 192.168.0.99
    - After a successful sync the ip address listed in PRIMARY PC SETUP may be replaced by the one in hotsync manager. meaning if your hotsync manager is on an internal ip like 192.168.0.99 then your TREOs PRIMARY PC IP will be 192.168.0.99 and therefore need to be changed to a WAN address. I believe by making your PRIMARY PC NAME !! this won't happen.

    * OFFICE USERS
    REMEMBER TO CHECK WITH YOUR IT GALS/GUYS and/or SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

    *SECURITY MINDED USERS
    Network Syncing is not the most secure thing in the world. Read Security information on it at bugtraq or your favorite security watering hole.

    HAPPY SYNCING!!!

    - shimatani hiro

    Geminii Group -white cell-

    keywords: wireless hotsync , network hotsync , remote sync, remote access , DataMgr.c, Line: 9573 , Index out of range , backup , backup buddy , geminii
  3. #3  
    WOW!!! Excellent job mitchema!! I have always been too lazy to describe the entire process in detail, you even included the port info. Awesome. A moderator should sticky this or include it in a FAQ.
  4. #4  
    Great blow-by-blow directions. IT WORKS!!

    Thanks,

    Bob Duckworth
  5. #5  
    is it possible to do this with a 180 and csd connection?
  6. #6  
    nevermind...figured it out

    Mitch...you're the #$%^ing man!
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    thx
  8. #8  
    followed this setup except for 1 part... since I don't have a static ip, I have set up a name that always resolves to the most recent ip address in case it is changed.

    The sync works fine when I put the actual ip address in, but when I use the name instead of the numbers, it has a problem connecting

    Since I need this for when I'm away from home and obviously can't check my ip address without physically looking on my pc, it puts me in a bit of a predicament...

    Thanks for anything you guys can suggest...
  9. #9  
    Originally posted by kayden75
    The sync works fine when I put the actual ip address in, but when I use the name instead of the numbers, it has a problem connecting
    Sorry... let me detail the issue a little for you...

    it goes through the connection phase, signs on, establishes a connection, then it says "The connection between your handheld and the desktop could not be established. Please check your setup and try again."

    as I said, it is fine with the numeric ip, not with a host name...
  10. #10  
    I've been trying to figure this one out for a while. I REALLY appreciate such clear, complete directions. It worked like a charm. Now I just need to be sure to check my IP before going to work.

    Geoffrey
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    the service I use for my ip host name is noip.com

    if I use blazer to go to noip & login to my account I can look up the ip address that the host name currently resolves to, then make the change to the hotsync primary pc.

    just wish i could use the name instead - would be so much easier!
  12. #12  
    Yes, this works.

    But, I have found the following:

    When forwarding ports, in my experience, first:
    a) you do not need to forward UDP
    b) Forwarding 14238 seems to be the only port needed to allow hotsync through a firewall.. forwarding 14237 doesn't seem to matter in my experience.

    I forwarded both just in case, but if 14237 is not required (and doesn't seem to be) then i'd rather drop that from my firewall rules. Anyone else have other experiences?

    Anyone here using a Linux firewall + redir to do forwarding? If so.. let's talk..
  13. #13  
    Originally posted by kayden75
    the service I use for my ip host name is noip.com

    if I use blazer to go to noip & login to my account I can look up the ip address that the host name currently resolves to, then make the change to the hotsync primary pc.

    just wish i could use the name instead - would be so much easier!
    Well it could be a bit easier. You could just install Mergic Ping, http://www.mergic.com/vpnDownloads.php and then do a quick ping to your hostname, which in turn would display the IP. Or even the NetToolBox PQA, it has DNS lookup.
  14. #14  
    Originally posted by kayden75


    Sorry... let me detail the issue a little for you...

    it goes through the connection phase, signs on, establishes a connection, then it says "The connection between your handheld and the desktop could not be established. Please check your setup and try again."

    as I said, it is fine with the numeric ip, not with a host name...
    i think the problem lies in the hotsync software on the desktop
    because it doesnt alow you to set the ip as a host name such as domain.com

    i could be wrong though


    I know i had to do that for my ftp server if you want to connect to it i have to set it to serve on not my ip addy but my domain.com addy..

    so i just assume thats the same for the network sync software on the desktop
  15. #15  
    Originally posted by Appleman


    Well it could be a bit easier. You could just install Mergic Ping, http://www.mergic.com/vpnDownloads.php and then do a quick ping to your hostname, which in turn would display the IP. Or even the NetToolBox PQA, it has DNS lookup.
    that would make it easier, but at a much higher cost... at $30 for the reg'd software (trial expires after 15 days), if I can get it free through the browser, why should I spend the cash...
  16. #16  
    No, Mergic Ping is free. It's just that Mergic lists all of it's downloads one page. The tope fo the page lists the VPN client. Scroll down and you'll see Mergic Ping.
  17. #17  
    you guys are missing the point though

    after a hard reset you have only what came with the palm when you bought it.


    how would going out and downloading mergic ping and installing it if it is even a .prc on the server

    easier then finding out your ip from the service itself.

    they need a patch to the hotsync app so it can resolve domains to ip and the need to patch it to the rom.

    that is the only way this will be fixed that I can think of.


    I checked on the software and i dont think its the desktop software that is the problem because you can set the ip that it serves on to a domain from within the windows registry. and that didnt fix the problem.

    so it is deffinately a limitation of the hotsync client on the palm

    does anyone know if they fixed this in palm4.1 or palm5?

    and handspring said they didnt put the treo on 4 cuz there is no benifit from it.
  18. #18  
    Originally posted by backwerd
    you guys are missing the point though
    Well, not necessarily. No where in this thread has that been the reason for syncing. The original poster just wanted to sync calendar and contact info.

    For a situation in which a hard reset has happened, then yes it wouldn't work, unless you installed stuff in your ROM.
  19. #19  
    Originally posted by Appleman


    Well, not necessarily. No where in this thread has that been the reason for syncing. The original poster just wanted to sync calendar and contact info.

    For a situation in which a hard reset has happened, then yes it wouldn't work, unless you installed stuff in your ROM.

    this thread was answered after the first post. and we have moved on to better things to tacle

    ie.. dns resolution of ip's within hotsync

    i guess you could flash that mergic ping to rom that would help a bit but this is merely a temporary workaround

    we need a patch/hack/ new hotsync client to be flashed to rom that is the only viable solution

    does palm 4 or 5 fix this issue?
    Last edited by backwerd; 12/17/2002 at 10:44 AM.
  20. #20  
    Originally posted by backwerd
    this thread was answered after the first post. and we have moved on to better things to tacle[/QUOTE]

    Are you trying to start an argument? I merely provided a solution to kayden75 who was logging into noip.com. Using Mergic Ping would help this user. Plain and simple. You were the one who brought hard resets out of no where. It wasn't an issue previously in the thread.


    does palm 4 or 5 fix this issue?

    Good question, I am curious to as to whether this has been fixed.
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