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    Hi all,

    FYI.

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    EDITORIAL: If HP Lets ex-Palm Unit be Palm, It's Doomed in Tablets, Phones
    Jason Mick (Blog) - August 17, 2011 10:45 AM

    DailyTech - EDITORIAL: If HP Lets ex-Palm Unit be Palm, It's Doomed in Tablets, Phones

    Even veteran retailers like Staples and Best Buy can't sell the TouchPad. (Source: Palm Infocenter)

    Only approximately 600 people took advantage of Woot.com's fire-sale-priced TouchPad.

    HP is letting its rebranded Palm unit return to its old ways -- overproducing and yielding new handsets at a snail's pace. (Source: Business Blog)
    Fire sale TouchPad prices are the latest sign that HP's troubled acquisition is continuing its old ways

    Want further proof that Hewlett-Packard, Comp.'s (HPQ) webOS is going nowhere fast? Look at Woot.com, veteran daily deals site, who tried its hand at selling HP's sole webOS tablet, the TouchPad. Even the mighty Woot.com could only sell 612 of the infernal devices.

    I. TouchPad Sales Get Ugly

    When HP launched the TouchPad in July, it proposed a price of $500 USD for the 16 GB model and $600 USD for the 32 GB model, roughly in line with the pricing of Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iPad 2 and top of the line Android tablets.

    The problem was that the TouchPad wasn't exactly top-of-the-line when it came to its user interface, according to reviewers. Most reviews complained of slow performance and a clunky OS layout. The problem isn't so much that webOS 3 is terribly bad. It's that it's not as good as the competition. In that regard the OS appear to be exactly cut out for the world of tablets.

    HP is still laboring at trying to save the TouchPad -- and its bottom line. It slashed $100 off the price of both models. And it recently issued a major update full of tweaks to try to salvage the experience. HP says the updated will make your TouchPad "even more like nothing else."

    But that's done little to help sales. Retail giant Staples, Inc. (SPLS) recently slashed another $50 off the price of the TouchPad, offering it for a bargain bin $350 USD and later lowered the price even further to $300.

    Rival retailer Best Buy Comp., Inc. (BBY) may soon find itself in a similar lot. According to a report in All Things Digital, internal reports reveal that Best Buy ordered a stock of 270,000 TouchPads, hoping the devices would be a hit. It's only been able to sell a reported 25,000 units in the month since -- less than ten percent of its inventory.

    An All Things D source at Best Buy confirms that reports of the retailer being buried under the surplus stock are "consistent with what I've seen", and even goes as far as to say the sales figures might be "charitable". They say that the actual numbers could be quite a bit lower as a substantial number of customers have sought refunds on the devices.

    II. HP MUST Act Now

    Plunging prices have hit TouchPad sales with a double whammy. Not only are many customers not interested in the TouchPad, but many of those who are actually interested are now opting to wait in hopes of further price drops. States Rich Doherty, head of the Envisioneering Group, an analysis firm, "After the initial surge of interest after the July release, all those price promotions have caused consumers interested in buying a TouchPad to pause because they think the price is going to fall further."

    But you don't need a high-paid analyst to tell you that.

    Soaring back stocks? Plunging prices? Where have we seen this before? We can tell you where we've seen this before -- the Palm Pre in its dogged final days of fire sales before Palm, Inc.'s own fire-sale-priced acquisition by HP. Since the start of the smartphone era Palm has suffered from unrealistic expectations and a "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality when it comes to production. That, coupled with a snail slow pace of handset releases, ultimately doomed Palm as an independent company. Now HP's webOS devices unit is looking awfully familiar -- a lot like the Palm of old.

    Of course HP does have one advantage over Palm, in that it's the top U.S. PC retailer. HP may be able to push sales of deeply discounted TouchPads during the back to school shopping season by offering deep discounts to those who also buy an applicable HP personal computer.

    Sales dilemmas aside, we feel that its high time for HP to commit to some serious intervention and soul-searching when it comes to its rebranded Palm unit. HP has thus far seemed publicly nonchalant about its struggling unit. In other words, HP is content to let Palm be Palm. But in doing so, it's letting its unit sink even deeper in the mire.

    At this point the webOS unit has less than 1 percent of the tablet market and less than 1 percent of the smartphone market. It's beyond a failure in sales.

    On the other hand, it does have a decent operating system, which, with the proper TLC and imagination could be reborn into something bleeding edge (like Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) ambitious Windows Phone 7).

    In short, the time for the world's biggest PC company to act is now. It cannot tolerate the ex-Palm unit to return to its old ways. Because if it does, it might as well kiss the lucrative tablet and smartphone market -- and it's goal of future sales leadership -- goodbye.
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    And I quote:

    From Article:

    "The problem isn't so much that webOS 3 is terribly bad. It's that it's not as good as the competition"

    "with the proper TLC and imagination could be reborn into something bleeding edge (like Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) ambitious Windows Phone 7)."

    "Windows Phone 7 multitasking interface rips off WebOS?"

    Windows Phone 7 multitasking interface rips off WebOS? | VentureBeat

    hmmmmm....
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    Meet the new HP, same as the old palm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Most reviews complained of slow performance and a clunky OS layout.[B
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    ummm clunky? really? ill give ya that webos may be a bit slow at somethings but CLUNKY? Webos is the opposite of clunk. If any OS is clunky its Android
    I hope that after I die, people will say of me: "That guy sure owed me a lot of money.

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    In all honesty, the article is right. Everything we're seeing is Palm all over again. Announcements in Feb. and months later for the devices to roll out. 6 months later and we still don't have an official Pre 3 launch (we can't seriously count the super secret UK launch). The Veer is a nice phone, but it was a flop (I have yet to see one in the wild).

    1st gen TouchPad's are having hardware issues (i.e. cracking near the speakers), it gives me nightmares of the Pre - launch. This is one reason why I haven't bought one yet. I can't justify paying that much for a device, and expecting to deal with hardware issues such as cracking. Also, like the guy in the article mentions, I'm waiting to see if the price will drop even more.

    I love webOS, but I think HP does need to exert more influence; and it looks like they started that when they replaced Ruby with DeWitt as head of webOS. Hopefully DeWitt's leadership will change things for the better. I really hope HP has some kick **** devices in the pipeline, that will be ready to ship within 3 weeks of their announcement. If there next launch cycle consists of devices being announced months before availability, they will just be shooting themselves in the foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartfah View Post
    In all honesty, the article is right. Everything we're seeing is Palm all over again. Announcements in Feb. and months later for the devices to roll out. 6 months later and we still don't have an official Pre 3 launch (we can't seriously count the super secret UK launch). The Veer is a nice phone, but it was a flop (I have yet to see one in the wild).
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    Hi all,

    You left out, that Leo PROMISED that they were going to announce products and introduce them at almost the same time!

    Take care,

    Jay
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    Totally agree with the title, they shouldn't have let palm be a seperate relatively independent division within HP, but it should have been under strict HP control right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud101 View Post
    Totally agree with the title, they shouldn't have let palm be a seperate relatively independent division within HP, but it should have been under strict HP control right away.
    Hi all,

    I have to put a great deal of blame on Ruby...the TouchPad should never had been released UNTIL the update was up and running and installed on all TouchPads.

    From another thread I understand that some people are having a cracking issue near the TouchPads speakers. Isn't this a repeat of design flaws and manufacturing problems with the Pre & Pre Plus?

    Ruby and Palm got burned badly the lack of physical quality of the Pre & Pre Plus..he should have known better before the Pre and Pre Plus was rolled out. However, once burned he should have delayed the TouchPad to make sure that there were NO problems....the reviews & sales would have been far better.
    I was big defender of Ruby...however I'm not sorry to see him as a number of articles called his change of position at HP a "lateral demotion"!

    Take care,

    Jay
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    who is the problem, ghost Palm, or hp? that's the question I want a solid answer for.
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    I personally fail to understand why everyone keeps harping on about 3.0.2. Personally, I have not found it to be much better than 3.0.0. Therefore I seriously doubt, that just 3.0.2 would have made much difference to the reviews and sales. Almost from the outset, HP has been quite clueless on how to develop and promote webOS. Instead of highlighting the strengths of the original webOS, HP seems to have done everything to reduce it to more like the competition. Whereas, not surprisingly, the competition has been working hard to incorporate the strengths of webOS. As silly as it may sound, but the fact is that the manner in which HP has handled the development of webOS and furthermore the hardware design choices and the marketing of new products, almost seems like a deliberate and concentrated effort in guaranteeing the failure of webOS.
    Pre3 (AT&T meta-doctored to ROW) webOS 2.2.4 build 3175
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    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    who is the problem, ghost Palm, or hp? that's the question I want a solid answer for.
    Palm old mentality prevailed in new HP setup. Current state of WebOS looks to me like it would be in same shape if Palm remained independent. Same prejudices, same lack of understanding of surroundings, same lack of sense for performance, same insisting on empty form. And most important, with same bad attitude and self indulgence.
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    What also strikes me is the actual lack of improvement of webOS. Yes, we have v3 now, it runs on tablet screen formats and it has a new Enyo framework. But really, all the things they promised (or I hoped for) aren't there:
    - Way better html 5 support
    - Innovative WebOpenGL stuff, which was all the hype 2 years ago
    - Way better hardware support of all the CSS stuff
    - Better sound (syncing) support and I mean within the enyo framework, not the PDK apps.
    - Better native apps: PIM, more synergy plugins out of the box...
    - And then I'm not even talking about support for current hardware capabilities (compass, NFC, USB host,..) How the h*ll is it possible that webOS 1 & 2 kernels DO support connecting to samba shares and webOS 3 stock kernels DON'T

    The situation Palm/HP has manoevred itself in may be similar as two years ago with the original pre release, the BIG difference now is, that webOS isn't by far as revolutionary anymore as it was back then!

    Really has me wondering what have they been doing the past 2 years...
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    While cannot edit office documents, is nothing serious to market, and less for business.

    Edit Office Documents is not all, but have to begin in some place...

    Well, forgiving the Office limits... what sell some tablet is ads, ads and ads...

    The common user don't wanna know about advanced options, just need two things: a product that works & "have listened about him in some place"...


    Best Regards...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedessert View Post
    Hi all,

    You left out, that Leo PROMISED that they were going to announce products and introduce them at almost the same time!

    Take care,

    Jay
    Yeah, I forgot about that one. And also how he told all his employees to get ready to toss your iPhones & iPads out the window. HP execs sure have a way with words, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjay View Post
    I personally fail to understand why everyone keeps harping on about 3.0.2. Personally, I have not found it to be much better than 3.0.0. Therefore I seriously doubt, that just 3.0.2 would have made much difference to the reviews and sales. Almost from the outset, HP has been quite clueless on how to develop and promote webOS. Instead of highlighting the strengths of the original webOS, HP seems to have done everything to reduce it to more like the competition. Whereas, not surprisingly, the competition has been working hard to incorporate the strengths of webOS. As silly as it may sound, but the fact is that the manner in which HP has handled the development of webOS and furthermore the hardware design choices and the marketing of new products, almost seems like a deliberate and concentrated effort in guaranteeing the failure of webOS.
    Slightly OT, but one thing that's unequivocally better is Text Assist, which is important on a VKB device. Night and day difference from 3.0.0.

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