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    Jon is irrelevant for any strategic move as licensing WebOS to partners like Samsung, HTC or LG. Anything he says could be seen as his private opinion. He is no longer in charge for global direction of WebOS. My biggest concern is that no one is really interested in licensing WebOS and that Leo and Jon are just speculating.
    Last edited by chalx; 06/03/2011 at 03:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalx View Post
    Jon is irrelevant for any strategic move as licensing WebOS to partners like Samsung, HTC or LG. Anything he says could be seen as his private opinion. He is no longer in charge for global direction of WebOS. My biggest concern is that no one is really interested in licensing WebOS and that Leo and Jon are just speculating.
    That's actually a really good point. What are the upsides of licensing webOS? Differentiation through obscurity?
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    IMHO HP has a long journey to get traction with webOS spreading it to all HP form factors devices.

    I donīt see webOS licensing to anyone at least in 2-3years, if they find a partner who is willing to work with webOS only for their hardwares.
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    why 2-3 years? the software is ready to go now~! i think maybe 1 year to 1 and a half year if its like a fridge or something, but TV's, mp3 players, that should take much longer than a year
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    Quote Originally Posted by ijip View Post
    why 2-3 years? the software is ready to go now~! i think maybe 1 year to 1 and a half year if its like a fridge or something, but TV's, mp3 players, that should take much longer than a year
    Because HP will develope the entire webOS ecosystem first for their devices which includes not only tablets and smartphones but laptops, netbooks, notebooks, desktops,all in one PCs, printers also and maybe other devices that HP migth have in mind.

    Once HP dominates the seamlessly connected feature within all of them without flipping devices, then will have an entire webOS ecosystem ready.

    They will license the full package to a partner who also makes the same hardwares, for example Samsung, Sony,Acer , Asus or Dell, and are willing to run just webOS on their hardwares.

    I mean something like Microsoft does with windows now.

    The questions are:

    1.-Will HP license webOS to partner who makes smartphones hardware also or just it like HTC, only ?

    2.-Will the possible partner run just webOS on their smatphones hardwares?

    3.-Will Samsung, Sony and LG drop Android for webOS at this time?

    4.-Will Samsung and HTC drop Android for webOS if they are having a lot success with it, now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nappy View Post
    That's actually a really good point. What are the upsides of licensing webOS? Differentiation through obscurity?
    man, it hurts but is real, at least for now.

    That HP Ecosystem phrase starting to annoy me (not you Akitayo! just that over-abused phrase that HP guys are pushing to insanity). It doesn't mean anything in this phase and state of WebOS, right now. Idea of HP solely creating ecosystem of devices, evolving around WebOs in it's core is insane in this phase when there is almost no interest for WebOS, at least no broad interest which would hint a glimpse of reason for ecosystem of WebOS devices. To be successful, ecosystem must be created by evolution, not by corporate decision. Flooding market with various HP WebOS devices for which there is no initial demand is silly. Palm tried to share it's vision of webOS as closed software-hardware system and filed. With Palm buyout, HP inherited all Palm's recognizable bad reasoning. Now, I hope, with slight change in HP global position and with some droppings of revenue, HP will stop with Apple cloning, and start to be reasonable. They will not condition any interested partner in any form, not by hardware design, not by OS exclusivity, because there is no reason for such conditions and more important - there is no grounds for any conditioning. If WebOS is highly successful and lucrative platform I could understand some form of restraints but in current state HP shold be overjoyed if someone knocks and asks for WebOS.
    There are so many directions in which future of multiple devices could go, and I hope HP will choose the most natural one - gain interest for WebOS by allowing other manufacturers to produce great WebOS smartphones and sell them in millions. Then, when customer and developer interest grows, offer another form of WebOS devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akitayo View Post
    Because HP will develope the entire webOS ecosystem first for their devices which includes not only tablets and smartphones but laptops, netbooks, notebooks, desktops,all in one PCs, printers also and maybe other devices that HP migth have in mind.

    Once HP dominates the seamlessly connected feature within all of them without flipping devices, then will have an entire webOS ecosystem ready.

    They will license the full package to a partner who also makes the same hardwares, for example Samsung, Sony,Acer , Asus or Dell, and are willing to run just webOS on their hardwares.

    I mean something like Microsoft does with windows now.

    The questions are:

    1.-Will HP license webOS to partner who makes smartphones hardware also or just it like HTC, only ?

    2.-Will the possible partner run just webOS on their smatphones hardwares?

    3.-Will Samsung, Sony and LG drop Android for webOS at this time?

    4.-Will Samsung and HTC drop Android for webOS if they are having a lot success with it, now?
    Why does it need to be around HP devices first? why can it be just whatever devices make it to market first?
    based on what John and Leo have stated they want one or two big partners that believe in the ecosystem strategy. To me right now the best companies that come to mind are LG and Samsung, because the make TV's, phones, as well as appliances, which HP already demonstrated earlier this month working with the Touchpad.
    I dont believe believe HP is asking people to drop windows phone 7 or android for webos. They are interested in the whole package working together. From that i mean, even if a company like samsung for example has an android version phone and want to make a webos version they maybe allowed to design such a phone as long as they have the rest of the ecosystem in place, on their tv and appliances and mp3's.
    One thing you may not understand is how flexible enyo is. With Enyo, you can develop an app for the touchpad and it will work right away on a veer. another words its scalable, and most of it is automatic. Webos is now extremely flexible and can be added to anything with a decent processor. from what i can tell i cant see things taking much past one year to develop.
    i think the next couple of years technology will be going through an amazing transtion remember, Microsoft became the world's biggest company by sticking windows on a pc. HP wants webos EVERYWHERE, if they can make it work the potential is unlimited!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ijip View Post
    Why does it need to be around HP devices first? why can it be just whatever devices make it to market first?
    based on what John and Leo have stated they want one or two big partners that believe in the ecosystem strategy. To me right now the best companies that come to mind are LG and Samsung, because the make TV's, phones, as well as appliances, which HP already demonstrated earlier this month working with the Touchpad.
    I dont believe believe HP is asking people to drop windows phone 7 or android for webos. They are interested in the whole package working together. From that i mean, even if a company like samsung for example has an android version phone and want to make a webos version they maybe allowed to design such a phone as long as they have the rest of the ecosystem in place, on their tv and appliances and mp3's.
    One thing you may not understand is how flexible enyo is. With Enyo, you can develop an app for the touchpad and it will work right away on a veer. another words its scalable, and most of it is automatic. Webos is now extremely flexible and can be added to anything with a decent processor. from what i can tell i cant see things taking much past one year to develop.
    i think the next couple of years technology will be going through an amazing transtion remember, Microsoft became the world's biggest company by sticking windows on a pc. HP wants webos EVERYWHERE, if they can make it work the potential is unlimited!
    I know as you that everyone wnat a better form factor smartphone maybe made HTC or Samsung as soon as possible, but Jon Rubinstein at this Uplinq 2011 was clear about licensing webOS:

    Asked Jon Rubinstein about if HP will license webOS he said:

    "We will not license a partner who launch its devices with Android, Microsoft (Windows Phone) and webOS. We want a partner who really wants to delivery a very unique ecosystem."

    http://forums.precentral.net/hp-palm...ml#post2978677
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    If Samsung or HTC come to HP, Jon won't be on inital meetings at all. Guy is not in position to make any global HP decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalx View Post
    If Samsung or HTC come to HP, Jon won't be on inital meetings at all. Guy is not in position to make any global HP decisions.
    Totally true. I think even Todd Bradley has to consult HP CEO to take a high level decision like that. And Leo has to join everyone head divisions ,even to let know the board of the directors of a project of that dimension.
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    Right, and in any big company you have more successful and less successful divisions. Guys from more successful, money making divisions are often ****ed at those from less successful divisions because their money funds some long shot projects. I guess those guys would push WebOS licensing too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ijip View Post
    you know the more i think about it, the more i think one of the partners could be dell
    This will NEVER happen. Dell is one of HP's primary competitors regardless of what Leo did or didn't say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalx View Post
    Right, and in any big company you have more successful and less successful divisions. Guys from more successful, money making divisions are often ****ed at those from less successful divisions because their money funds some long shot projects. I guess those guys would push WebOS licensing too.
    and after all is 1.2 billion plus asset, at this time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midway99 View Post
    This will NEVER happen. Dell is one of HP's primary competitors regardless of what Leo did or didn't say.
    Agree, besides I think HP will look someone more specialised in smartphones than in tablets PC that they may handle better by themselves.
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